Jim Conley the National Pencil Company Factory Sweeper (1911 to 1913), Leo Frank Murder Confession Number One of Four

Outside the Courtroom During the Leo Frank Trial

 

Life and Family Background of James Conley

The Negro James Conley was born in Atlanta, Georgia, during the year 1886. In later years Conley was one of 10 children (Koenigsberg, 2012). Conley stated at the trial he went to school for about a year (The 1900 census lists Conley as illiterate), but despite his lack of formal education, Conley had learned on his own how to read and write on a very basic level. A deep search of public records, regional church baptismal files, and Georgia Vital Statistics Office, reveals there are no surviving documents concerning Jim Conley’s birth or death. The institution of rules and regulation requiring birth records for all newborn Whites and Blacks was not fully mandated back then in the 19th century (1800’s), but these laws eventually became commonplace in the 20th century (1900’s) and beyond. The question perplexing most Leo Frank case scholars is why there is no death record for Jim Conley. It has been claimed by some Leo Frank authors, Jim Conley passed away during the early 1960’s, Harry Golden was first to posit the year 1962. If that guesstimation is approximately correct, then Jim Conley lived a relatively long life into his early 70’sbut ultimately Conley’s unknown final disappearance has added to a greater aura of mystery and intrigue surrounding him. Looking at the life span of his siblings suggests it would be entirely possible that he lived into his 60’s or 70’s. Former Governor John Slaton in a 1955 memorandum, stated the Conley was already dead and had died some years ago, suggesting perhaps 1952.

Employment History of Jim Conley

*For historical purposes only, these names will later be looked up to see what kind of businesses they managed* Conley stated at the trial he got his first real job about 11 years before working at the National Pencil Company (1911 to 1913). Conley first worked with a Mr. S. M. Truitt for 2 years. His next job was with W. S. Coates for fives years. For Mr. Woodward and Mr. Honeywell about a year, and a pressing club for about two years. For a brief period, Conley worked for the Orr Stationery Company about three or four months, and then finally Dr. Palmer about a year and a half, before starting at the National Pencil Company (NPCo)

Conley started his employment with the NPCo factory at 37-41 South Forsyth Street in the spring of 1911, after Mr. Herbert George Schiff, assistant superintendent hired him. Late December 1912, Jim Conley was internally transferred from the position of elevator operator to factory janitor based on the 4th floor of the building. Twice a week Conley was sent from the fourth floor down to the first floor to clean the lobby under the daywatchman security guard Mr. E.F. Holloway’s directions (Jim Conley, Brief of Evidence, August 4, 5, 6, 1913).

By 1913, James “Jim” Conley as he was commonly known, was a 27 year old roustabout with a low reputation for being a shoe-shuffling slovenly drunk at the National Pencil Company. Though Conley worked in many other capacities at the NPCo, his last official title at the factory was sweeper. In total, Jim worked for a little more than two years at the NPCo from the Spring of 1911 till Thursday, May 1, 1913, when he was arrested by the Atlanta police in connection with the Mary Phagan murder investigation. By 1913, Jim Conley made more than 11 cents an hour + “tips”, or $6.05 base salary, for the standard 55 hour work week, though he likely did not start out at that wage when he first began to work at the NPCo two years earlier. Jim worked as a general all purpose low level staff member during his employment with the NPCo, generally doing a variety of odd jobs at the factory, from running the elevator, custodial work and occasionally logging pencil stock and orders which required basic written work.

At the Leo Frank trial, concerning the basic stock inventory work Jim Conley had claimed to have done, he testified, “Mr. Frank knew for a whole year that I could write. I used to write for him” and claimed Leo Frank managed his pawnshop contracts, “Yes I wrote him [Leo Frank] orders to take money out of my wages” (BOE, 1913). When it was revealed Jim Conley could write and had worked in the capacity of logging pencil stock on tablets for Leo Frank or notes about deducting wages for money Conley owed to the local pawnshop, the Jury naturally wondered if Conley was telling the truth, why Leo Frank never told the police early in the early days of the Mary Phagan murder investigation that Jim could write, especially when the murder notes were clearly written in Ebonics and only 8 employees were Negro out of 170 factory employees. It gave the impression Leo Frank’s reticence might have been meant to protect his purported accomplice-after-the-fact.

Jim Conley Arrested at the National Pencil Company Thursday, May 1st, 1913.

Jim Conley was arrested on Thursday, May 1st, 1913, at the National Pencil Company as a possible suspect in connection with the murder of Mary Phagan, under an unusual pretext that turned out to be a valuable hunch afterall. The arrest was inspired by the day watchman, E.F. Holloway, who called the Atlanta station house, reportedly because he saw Conley suspiciously cleaning out reddish-colored spots from a blue shirt that had the appearance of blood, the police determined the stains to be rust from a heating pipe overhead — one typically used by employees for drying out sink washed fabrics and laundry. Frankites would perpetuate in their treatments of the case, allegation the stains were indeed blood, to prejudice their audience learning about the case, even though at the time, when the police arrived, confronted Conley and investigated the shirt, they noted it was indeed only rust, resulting from Jim hanging the washed shirt to dry on an iron pipe above the sink. Jim Conley claimed he was washing the contentious item so he could be presentable for the White Folks at the Coroner’s Inquest, word had spread around the factory that all the employees were required to be present and testify under oath during this early investigation tribunal, Subpoenas were to follow. An official government inquiry was underway, conducted by the Fulton County Coroner Paul Donehoo, and an impartial Jury of 6 White men, each sworn under oath, concerning the investigation into the Mary Phagan murder mystery. However, Oddly enough, Jim Conley, never ended up testifying at the Coroner’s Inquest, but 200 other associates were subpoenaed and 160 people finally ended up testifying.

Jim Conley and the Investigation into the Murder of Mary Phagan

The police brought Jim Conley in for questioning in the hopes of gathering more information regarding the Phagan murder, other employees mentioned Jim worked on Saturdays like everyone else, and that he was an unsavory character. Police held him when they pulled his criminal record and noted a very consistent pattern of arrests for drunkenness, it made him a person-of-interst. Jim’s rap sheet suggested Conley had a propensity for public intoxication and thus prone to unacceptable behavior. More importantly, the murder notes had been written in a semi-literate manner that reflected Negro dialect or in 21st century parlance, to use the more politically correct term: Ebonics. The hand writing on the notes clearly did not look similar to Mary Phagan’s when compared to a poem she had copied and given to her father, nor did her cursive resemble a post card she wrote to her mother. Given there were only 8 Negro employees at the NPCo factory out of about 170 employees, Conley was naturally a suspect.

Jim Conley’s Criminal Record Up to Date as of 1913

According to Jim Conley,

First time I was arrested was for throwing rocks. I was a small boy then. I was arrested another time for fighting black boys, then I was arrested about drinking and disorderly [conduct], and the last time I was arrested was about fighting again. I never have fought with a white man or white woman.

(BOE, JC, August 4-6, 1913)

On Conley’s criminal record his name is listed as James Connolly. The name used for James Conley at the Leo M. Frank capital murder trial was “Jim Conley”. The first name “Jim” and the full name “Jim Conley” were the names witnesses used most often to refer to him concerning the National Pencil Company (NPCo). What was most suspicious about Conley’s rap sheet – with 7 separate disorderly conduct charges – was not the six of the seven charges against him that resulted in only fines, it was the seventh charge that was suspicious, because it resulted in Jim being sentenced to a month on the chain gang, but only spending 3 weeks there for good behavior. Oddly enough, Leo Frank even took Jim Conley back at the NPCo, after Jim served his time on the chain gang from the middle of September to early October of 1912. It was never clear if Jim’s real last name was indeed Connolly or not, because on some legal documents surrounding the Leo Frank capital murder trial his last name was listed as both Connolly or Connally and later Conley.

Jim went under a number of different names, three in total according to the official record (BOE, 1913).  Leo Frank’s Brief of Evidence and appeals records provides clarity in these regards. That being said, Jim Conley had developed a pretty bad reputation at the NPCo, even amongst the 8 Negroes that worked at the factory, who considered him a swarthy and untrustworthy character. At the Leo Frank trial an African American employee of the NPCo described Jim Conley as a Negro of the lowest rank and character, describing him as a “low nigger”. Conley’s drinking problem would later ensure him future tangles with the law even after the Leo Frank affair, after the Leo Frank affair ended, Jim Conley would be arrested three more times during the course of his life, once for petty theft, drinking and gambling.

Features of Jim Conley at the NPCo Attracted Attention

There was something rather odd about the salary and certain liberties extended to Jim Conley by Leo Frank the factory superintendent. Jim Conley as the lowest ranking employee, and a Negro – in a wider context, a second class citizen in the White separatist Atlanta of 1913 – was making a full 50% more a week, at $6.05, than the White child laborers with years of experience. The child laborers made a standard wage of $4.05 for a 55 hour work week at 7 and 4/11 cents an hour. It was odd because of the racial dynamics, the job status, capacity, and the fact manufacturing production jobs were not only core and directly related to the companies bottom line, but attrition and training of such employees was costly. Whereas, the position of sweeper, was at the absolute nadir of the corporate hierarchy, and a position easily replaced. Especially in light of the fact, Negroes were “a dime a dozen” in early 20th century Atlanta, and willing to work diligently for a nickel an hour. It was never explained why a negro at the bottom of the corporate totem pole was making such a decent weekly salary relatively speaking to the White employees.

What was also never fully explained, why was Jim Conley the only person, that we know of at the factory, who was not always required to punch the time clock out of more than 170 employees. Even more inexplicable, why wasn’t Jim Conley fired, when employees complained Jim Conley, was drunk on the job, and “sprinkling” (urinating) on the pencils (BOE, 1913). Herbert Schiff, NPCo Assistant Superintendent, and later General Superintendent after Leo Frank’s departure, would state at the trial, the reason Jim Conley was never fired, was because “he knew the business too well” (BOE, 1913). Schiff’s response left people stupefied and blinking with disbelief in the White racial separatist South when it was learned first hand Jim Conley was demoted to sweeper because he essentially couldn’t reliably manage the simple job as NPCo elevator man.

According to Jim Conley and C. Burtus Dalton, Jim also worked in the moonlighting capacity as a watchdog, security guard and doorman at the NPCo, specifically on the first floor lobby of the factory, for Leo Frank, during some evenings, Saturdays and Holidays – when Leo was “chatting” with women in his office. “Chatting” referring to Leo Frank was the polite way of saying, when Leo Frank was entertaining prostitutes and factory girls sexually. Jim Conley’s job responsibilities as watchdog involved locking, and unlocking the front door, depending upon pre-selected auditory commands made by Leo Frank on the second floor from his private office.

Leo Frank’s Signals

When the foot stomping sounds came from Leo Frank upstairs, it meant Jim Conley had to lock the front door of the factory, and then wait patiently under the stairwell until further commands from Leo Frank. A whistling command from Leo Frank meant Jim Conley had to unlock the door, and come upstairs, enter Leo Frank’s office and pretend he needed to borrow some money. The intention was so the prostitutes could on cue have an un-abrupt opportunity to comfortably leave the NPCo. All things considered, it was quite thoughtfully orchestrated with cooperative ease of administration on both the delivering and receiving ends, considering the simplicity and careful conscientiousness of it.

Jim Conley was often tipped handsomely for his watchdog services on top of his standard $6.05 a week salary. Given Jim’s seedy character and carefree attitude, it was not shocking that he was always borrowing money from people, a nickle here, a dime there, to fund his drinking and gambling escapades – this despite the fact that relatively speaking – he was making a lot more than the average Negro and White child laborer.

Jim Conley had an unusually cozy relationship with Leo Frank, perhaps a little bit too close for comfort. Jim Conley claimed Leo Frank would often Jolly with and goose him from time to time in the presence of other employees that he named at the trial. Jim Conley’s side business was a black market watch concession at the NPCo factory, where he resold the watches whose contracts Leo ‘vetted’. Leo would also take out money from Jim Conley’s pay envelope each week in regards to managing the pawnshop payments concerning Jim’s pocket watch inventory flip management. One of the eight Negro employees at the factory, Mr. Pride, testified at the trial about Conley’s watch business. He complained that Jim cheated him (Price, BOE, 1913).

In 1916, years after the Leo Frank trial and appeals, Jim Conley, would be fined $15 for a domestic dispute with his new common law wife named Kate (after things didn’t work out with Loretta) and later, circa 1919, Jim would be shot while trying to break in and sneak thief a liquor store in the middle of the night, he astonishingly recovered from the shotgun blast, was sentenced to 20 years and served a very long 15 year sentence as a result of the botched robbery. Oney says Jim Conley served half his sentence, but that is wrong and reveals Oney’s real biases in the Leo Frank case.

Though Jim Conley was considered a simpleton, and a slovenly buffoon, he cleaned up quite well for the trial. On the morning of August 4, 1913, Jim Conley was provided with a luxurious hot bath to cleanse his stinky pores of fermented beer and negro funk. To top off the opulent bath, Jim was given a clean shave and hair cut. Jim Conley was trimmed with talcom, and put in a nice generic loose fitting suit without a tie, just like Luther Rosser who never wore a tie in court. Jim Conley spoke at the trial with the kind of glib aloofness that made him appear almost entirely too credible, even after 3 days of grueling and thunderous cross examination by Luther Rosser known for getting under peoples skin. Jim Conley nimbly evaded every trap and snare Luther had tried to lay in his path, but Jim’s testimony had the flare of Victorian drama as Allen Koenigsberg put it (Leo Frank Case Discussion Forum, 2012).

When Jim claimed to fall asleep after Monteen Stover left what was was he absenting himself from? One shudders to think how he might have participated in the rape and murder of Mary Phagan since Leo Frank refused to confront him in the presence of the police. Why would Leo Frank be holding a rope if he had just strangled Mary Phagan with one? Jim Conley made a major mixup in the time line with the whole wardrobe incident concerning Emma and Corinthia Hall, it was likely before noon, rather than after. What was Jim concealing by putting that event in the afternoon?

Jim Conley, The Brief of Evidence, 1913:

JAMES CONLEY, sworn for the State, June 4, 5, & 6.

I had a little conversation with Mr. Frank on Friday, the 25th of
April. He wanted me to come to the pencil factory that Friday morning
that he had some work on the third floor he wanted me to do.

All right, I will talk louder.

Friday evening about three o’clock Mr. Frank come
to the fourth floor where I was working and said he wanted me to come to
the pencil factory on Saturday morning at 8:30; that he had some work
for me to do on the second floor. I have been working for the pencil
company for a little over two years.

Yes, I had gone back there that way for Mr. Frank before,
when he asked me to come back. I got to the pencil
factory about 8:30 on April 26th. Mr. Frank and me got to the door at
the same time. Mr. Frank walked on the inside and I walked behind him
and he says to me, “Good morning,” and I says, “Good morning, Mr.
Frank.” He says, “You are a little early this morning,” and I says,” No,
sir, I am not early.” He says, “Well, you are a little early to do what I
wanted you to do for me, I want you to watch for me like you have been
doing the rest of the Saturdays.” I always stayed on the first floor like
I stayed the 26th of April and watched for Mr. Frank, while he and a
young lady would be upon the second floor chatting, I don’t know what
they were doing. He only told me they wanted to chat. When young
ladies would come there, I would sit down at the first floor and watch the
door for him. I couldn’t exactly tell how many times I have watched the
door for him previous to April 26th, it has been several times that I
watched for him. I don’t know who would be there when I watched for
him, but there would be another young man, another young lady during
the time I was at the door. A lady for him and one for Mr. Frank. Mr.
Frank was alone there once, that was Thanksgiving day. I watched for
him. Yes, a woman came there Thanksgiving day, she was a tall, heavy
built lady. I stayed down there and watched the door just as he told me
the last time, April 26th. He told me when the lady came he would stomp
and let me know that was the one and for me to lock the door. Well, af-
ter the lady came and he stomped for me, I went and locked the door as
he said. He told me when he got through with the lady he would whistle
and for me then to go and unlock the door. That was last Thanksgiving
day, 1912. On April 26th, me and Mr. Frank met at the door. He says,
“What I want you to do is to watch for me to-day as you did other Satur-
days,” and I says, “All right.” I said, ”Mr. Frank, I want to go to the
Capital City Laundry to see my mother,” and he said, “By the time you
go to the laundry and come back to Trinity Avenue, stop at the corner of
Nelson and Forsyth Streets until I go to Montags.” I don’t know exactly
what time I got to the corner of Nelson and Forsyth Streets, but I came
there sometime between 10 and 10:30. I saw Mr. Frank as he passed by
me, I was standing on the corner, he was coming up Forsyth Street to-
ward Nelson Street. He was going to Montag’s factory. While I was
there on the corner he said, “Ha, ha, you are here, is yer.” And I says,
“Yes, sir, I am right here, Mr. Frank.” He says, “Well, wait until I go
to Mr. Sig’s, I won’t be very long, I’ll be right back.” I says, “All right,
Mr. Frank, I’ll be right here.” I don’t know how long he stayed at Mon-
tag’s. He didn’t say anything when he came back from Montag’s, but
told me to come on. Mr. Frank came out Nelson Street and down For-
syth Street toward the pencil factory and I followed right behind. As
we passed up there the grocery store, Albertson Brothers, a young man
was up there with a paper sack getting some stuff out of a box on the
sidewalk, and he had his little baby standing by the side of him, and just
as Mr. Frank passed by him, I was a little behind Mr. Frank, and Mr.
Frank said something to me, and by him looking back at me and saying
something to me, he hit up against the man’s baby, and the man turned
around and looked to see who it was, and he looked directly in my face,
but I never did catch the idea what Mr. Frank said. Mr. Frank stopped
at Curtis’ Drug Store, corner Mitchell and Forsyth Streets, went into the
soda fountain. He came out and went straight on to the factory, me right
behind him. When we got to the factory we both went on the inside, and
Mr. Frank stopped me at the door and when he stopped me at the door he
put his hand on the door and turned the door and says: “You see, you
turn the knob just like this and there can’t nobody come in from the out-
side,” and I says, “All right,” and I walked back to a little box back
there by the trash barrel. He told me to push the box up against the trash
barrel and sit on it, and he says. “Now, there will be a young lady up
here after awhile, and me and her are going to chat a little,” and he says,
“Now, when the lady comes, I will stomp like I did before,” and he says,
“That will be the lady, and you go and shut the door,” and I says, “All
right, sir.” And he says, “Now, when I whistle I will be through, so you
can go and unlock the door and you come upstairs to my office then like
you were going to borrow some money for me and that will give the
young lady time to get out.” I says, “All right, I will do just as you
say,” and I did as he said. Mr. Frank hit me a little blow on my chest
and says, “Now, whatever you do, don’t let Mr. Darley see you.” I says,
“All right, I won’t let him see me.” Then Mr. Frank went upstairs and
he said, “Remember to keep your eyes open,” and I says, “All right, I
will, Mr. Frank.” And I sat there on the box and that was the last I seen
of Mr. Frank until up in the day sometime. The first person I saw that
morning after I got in there was Mr. Darley, he went upstairs. The next
person was Miss Mattie Smith, she went on upstairs, then I saw her come
down from upstairs. Miss Mattie walked to the door and stopped, and
Mr. Darley comes on down to the door where Miss Mattie was, and he
says,” Don’t you worry, I will see that you get that next Saturday. ” And
Miss Mattie came on out and went up Alabama Street and Mr. Darley
went back upstairs. Seemed like Miss Mattie was crying, she was wiping
her eyes when she was standing down there. This was before I went to
Nelson and Forsyth Streets. After we got back from Montag Brothers,
the first person I saw come along was a lady that worked on the fourth
floor, I don’t know her name. She went on up the steps. The next per-
son that came along was the negro drayman, he went on upstairs. He
was a peg-legged fellow, real dark. The next I saw this negro and Mr.
Holloway coming back down the steps. Mr. Holloway was putting on
his glasses and had a bill in his hands, and he went out towards the wagon
on the sidewalk, then Mr. Holloway came back up the steps, then after
Mr. Darley came down and left, Mr. Holloway came down and left. Then
this lady that worked on the fourth floor came down and left. The next
person I saw coming there was Mr. Quinn. He went upstairs, stayed
a little while and then came down. The next person that I saw was
Miss Mary Perkins, that’s what I call her, this lady that is dead, I
don’t know her name. After she went upstairs I heard her footsteps go-
ing towards the office and after she went in the office, I heard two people
walking out of the office and going like they were coming down the steps,
but they didn’t come down the steps, they went back towards the metal
department. After they went back there, I heard the lady scream, then
I didn’t hear no more, and the next person I saw coming in there was
Miss Monteen Stover. She had on a pair of tennis shoes and a rain coat.
She stayed there a pretty good while, it wasn’t so very long either. She
came back down the steps and left. After she came back down the steps
and left, I heard somebody from the metal department come running back
there upstairs, on their tiptoes, then I heard somebody tiptoeing back
towards the metal department. After that I kind of dozed off and went
to sleep. Next thing I knew Mr. Frank was up over my head stamping
and then I went and locked the door, and sat on the box a little while, and
the next thing I heard was Mr. Frank whistling. I don’t know how many
minutes it was after that I heard him whistle. When I heard him whist-
ling I went and unlocked the door just like he said, and went on up the
steps. Mr. Frank was standing up there at the top of the steps and shiv-
ering and trembling and rubbing his hands like this.

[Illustrating - Jim Conley stood up in the arena, bent his knees and started
buckling them back and forth together]

He had a little rope
in his hands–a long wide piece of cord. His eyes were large and they
looked right funny. He looked funny out of his eyes. His face was red.
Yes, he had a cord in his hands just like this here cord. After I got up to
the top of the steps, he asked me,” Did you see that little girl who passed
here just a while ago?” and I told him I saw one come along there and
she come back again, and then I saw another one come along there and
she hasn’t come back down, and he says, “Well, that one you say didn’t
come back down, she came into my office awhile ago and wanted to know
something about her work in my office and I went back there to see if the
little girl’s work had come, and I wanted to be with the little girl, and
she refused me, and I struck her and I guess I struck her too hard and she
fell and hit her head against something, and I don’t know how bad she
got hurt. Of course you know I ain’t built like other men. The reason he
said that was, I had seen him in a position I haven’t seen any other man
that has got children. I have seen him in the office two or three times be-
fore Thanksgiving and a lady was in his office, and she was sitting down
in a chair and she had her clothes up to here, and he was down on his
knees, and she had her hands on Mr. Frank. I have seen him another
time there in the packing room with a young lady lying on the table, she
was on the edge of the table when I saw her.

He asked me if I wouldn’t
go back there and bring her up so that he could put her somewhere, and
he said to hurry, that there would be money in it for me. When I came
back there, I found the lady lying flat of her back with a rope around her
neck. The cloth was also tied around her neck and part of it was under
her head like to catch blood. I noticed the clock after I went back there
and found the lady was dead and came back and told him. The clock
was four minutes to one. She was dead when I went back there and I
came back and told Mr. Frank the girl was dead and he said “Sh-Sh!”

He told me to go back there by the cotton box, get a piece of cloth, put it
around her and bring her up. I didn’t hear what Mr. Frank said, and I
came on up there to hear what he said. He was standing on the top of
the steps, like he was going down the steps, and while I was back in the
metal department I didn’t understand what he said, and I came on back
there to understand what he did say, and he said to go and get a piece of
cloth to put around her, and I went and looked around the cotton box and
got a piece of cloth and went back there. The girl was lying flat on her
back and her hands were out this way. I put both of her hands down
easily, and rolled her up in the cloth and taken the cloth and tied her up,
and started to pick up her, and I looked back a little distance and saw her
hat and a piece of ribbon laying down and her slippers and I taken them
and put them all in the cloth and I ran my right arm through the cloth
and tried to bring it up on my shoulder. The cloth was tied just like a
person that was going to give out clothes on Mon~day, they get the clothes
and put them on- the inside of a sheet and take each corner and tie the
four corners together, and I run my right arm through the cloth after I
tied it that way and went to put it on my shoulder, and I found I couldn’t
get it on my shoulder, it was heavy and I carried it on my arm the best I
could, and when I got away from the little dressing room that was in the
metal department, I let her fall, and I was scared and I kind of jumped,
and I said, ‘Mr. Frank,, you will have to help me with this girl, she is
heavy,” and he come and caught her by the feet and I laid hold of her by
the shoulders, and when we got her that way I was backing and Mr. Frank
had her by the feet, and Mr. Frank kind of put her on me, he was nervous
and trembling, and after we got up a piece from where we got her at, he
let her feet drop and then he picked her up and we went on to the eleva-
tor, and he pulled down on one of the cords and the elevator wouldn’t go,
and he said, Wait, let me go in the office and get the key,” and he went
in the office and got the key and come back and unlocked the switchboard
and the elevator went down to the basement, and we carried her out and
I opened the cloth and rolled her out there on the floor, and Mr. Frank
turned around and went on up the ladder, and I noticed her hat and slip-
per and piece of ribbon and I said, “Mr. Frank, what am I going to do
with these things?” and he said, “Just leave them right there,” and I
taken the things and pitches them over in front of the boiler, and after
Mr. Frank had left I goes on over to the elevator and he said, “Come on
up and I will catch you on the first, floor,” and I got on the elevator and
started it to the first floor, and Mr. Frank was running up there. He
didn’t give me time to stop the elevator, he was so nervous and trembly,
and before the elevator got to the top of the first floor Mr. Frank made
the first, step onto the elevator and by the elevator being a little down
like that, he stepped down on it and hit me quite a blow right over about
my chest and that jammed me up against the elevator and when we got
near the second floor he tried to step off before it got to the floor and his
foot caught on the second floor as he was stepping off and that made him
stumble and he fell back sort of against me, and he goes on and takes the
keys back to his office and leaves the box unlocked. I followed him into
his private office and I sat down and he commenced to rubbing his hands
and began to rub back his hair and after awhile he got up and said,
“Jim,” and I didn’t say nothing, and all at once he happened to look out
of the door and there was somebody coming, and he said, ” My God, here
is Emma Clarke and Corinthia Hall,” and he said “Come over here Jim,
I have got to put you in this wardrobe, and he put me in this wardrobe,
and I stayed there a good while and they come in there and I heard them
go out, and Mr. Frank come there and said, “You are in a tight place,”
and I said “Yes,” and he said “You done very well.” So after they went
out and he had stepped in the hall and had come back he let me out of the
wardrobe, and he said “You sit down,” and I went and sat down, and
Mr. Frank sat down. But the chair he had was too little for him or too
big for him or it wasn’t far enough back or something. He reached on
the table to get a box of cigarettes and a box of matches, and he takes a
cigarette and a match and hands me the box of cigarettes and I lit one and
went to smoking and I handed him back the box of cigarettes, and he put
it back in his pocket and then he took them out again and said, “You can
have these,” and I put them in my pocket, and then he said, “Can you
write ?” and I said, “Yes, sir, a little bit,” and he taken his pencil to fix
up some notes. I was willing to do anything to help Mr. Frank because
he was a white man and my superintendent, and he sat down and I sat
down at the table and Mr. Frank dictated the notes to me. Whatever it
was it didn’t seem to suit him, and he told me to turn over and write
again, and I turned the paper and wrote again, and when I done that he
told me to turn over again and I turned over again and wrote on the next
page there, and he looked at that and kind of liked it and he said that was
all right. Then he reached over and got another piece of paper, a green
piece, and told me what to write. He took it and laid it on his desk and
looked at me smiling and rubbing his hands, and then he pulled out a
nice little roll of greenbacks, and he said, “Here is $200,” and I taken
the money and looked at it a little bit and I said, “Mr. Frank, don’t you
pay another dollar for that watchman, because I will pay him myself,”
and he said, “All right, I don’t see what you want to buy a watch for
either, that big fat wife of mine wanted me to buy an automobile and I
wouldn’t do it.” And after awhile Mr. Frank looked at me and said,
“You go down there in the basement and you take a lot of trash and burn
that package that’s in front of the furnace,” and I told him all right. But
I was afraid to go down there by myself, and Mr. Frank wouldn’t go down
there with me. He said, “There’s no need of my going down there,” and
I said, “Mr. Frank, you are a white man and you done it, and I am not
going down there and burn that myself.” He looked at me then kind of
frightened and he said “Let me see that money” and he took the money
back and put it back in his pocket, and I said, “Is this the way you do
things?” and he said, “You keep your mouth shut, that is all right.”
And Mr. Frank turned around in his chair and looked at the money and
he looked back at me and folded his hands and looked up and said, “Why
should I hang? I have wealthy people in Brooklyn,” and he looked down
when he said that, and I looked up at him, and he was looking up at the
ceiling, and I said,” Mr. Frank what about me?” and he said, ” That’s all
right, don’t you worry about this thing, you just come back to work Mon-
day like you don’t know anything, and keep your mouth shut, if you get
caught I will get you out on bond and send you away,” and he said,
“Can you come back this evening and do it?” and I said “Yes, that I was
coming to get my money.” He said, “Well, I am going home to get din-
ner and you come back here in about forty minutes and I will fix the
money,” and I said, “How will I get in?” and he said, “There will be a
place for you to get in all right, but if you are not coming back let me
know, and I will take those things and put them down with the body,”
and I said, “All right, I will be back in about forty minutes.” Then I
went down over to the beer saloon across the street and I took the ciga-
rettes out of the box and there was some money in there and I took that
out and there was two paper dollar bills in there and two silver quarters
and I took a drink, and then I bought me a double header and drank it
and I looked around at another colored fellow standing there and I asked
him did he want a glass of beer and he said “No,” and I looked at the
clock and it said twenty minutes to two and the man in there asked me
was I going home, and I said, “Yes,” and I walked south on Forsyth
Street to Mitchell and Mitchell to Davis, and I said to the fellow that was
with me “I am going back to Peters Street,” and a Jew across the street
that I owed a dime to called me and asked me about it and I paid him that
dime. Then I went on over to Peters Street and stayed there awhile.
Then I went home and I taken fifteen cents out of my pocket and gave a
little girl a nickle to go and get some sausage and then I gave her a
dime to go and get some wood, and she stayed so long that when she came
back I said, “I will cook this sausage and eat it and go back to Mr.
Frank’s,” and I laid down across the bed and went to sleep, and I didn’t
get up no more until half past six o’clock that night, that’s the last I saw
of Mr. Frank that Saturday. I saw him next time on Tuesday on the
fourth floor when I was sweeping. He walked up and he said, “Now re-
member, keep your mouth shut,” and I said, “All right,” and he said,
“If you’d come back on Saturday and done what I told you to do with it
down there, there wouldn’t have been no trouble.” This conversation
took place between ten and eleven o’clock Tuesday. Mr. Frank knew I
could write a little bit, because he always gave me tablets up there at the
office so I could write down what kind of boxes we had and I would give
that to Mr. Frank down at his office and that’s the way he knew I could
write. I was arrested on Thursday, May 1st, Mr. Frank told me just
what to write on those notes there. That is the same pad he told me to
write on (State’s Exhibit A).

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The girl’s body was lying somewhere
along there about No. 9 on that picture (State’s Exhibit A). I dropped
her somewhere along No. 7. We got on elevator on the second floor. The
box that Mr. Frank unlocked was right around here on side of elevator.
He told me to come back in about forty minutes to do that burning. Mr.
Frank went in the office and got the key to unlock the elevator. The notes
were fixed up in Mr. Frank’s private office. I never did know what be-
came of the notes. I left home that morning about 7 or 7:30. I noticed
the clock when I went from the factory to go to Nelson and Forsyth
Streets, the clock was in a beer saloon on the corner of Mitchell Street.
It said 9 minutes after 10. I don’t know the name of the woman who was
with Mr. Frank on Thanksgiving day. I know the man’s name was Mr.
Dalton. When I saw Mr. Frank coming towards the factory Saturday
morning he had on his raincoat and his usual suit of clothes and an um-
brella. Up to Christmas I used to run the elevator, then they put me on
the fourth floor to clean up. I cleaned up twice a week on the first floor

under Mr. Holloway’s directions. The lady I saw in Mr. Frank’s office
Thanksgiving day was a tall built lady, heavy weight, she was nice look-
ing, and she had on a blue looking dress with white dots in it and a gray-
ish looking coat with kind of tails to it. The coat was open like that and
she had on white slippers and stockings. On Thanksgiving day Mr.
Frank told me to come to his office. I have never seen any cot or bed
down in the basement. I refused to write for the police the first time. I
told them I couldn’t write.

CROSS EXAMINATION.

I am 27 years old. The last job I had was working for Dr. Palmer. I
worked for him a year and a half. I worked before that for Orr Station-
ery Company for three or four months. Before that I worked for S. S.
Gordon. Before that I worked for Adams Woodward and Dr. Honey-
well. Got my first job eleven years ago with Mr. S. M. Truitt. Next job
was with W. S. Coates. I can’t spell his name. I can’t read and write
good. I can’t read the newspapers good. No, sir; I don’t read the news-
paper. I never do, I have tried, I found I couldn’t and I quit. I can’t
read a paper right through. I can’t go right straight down through the
page, and that’s the reason I don’t read newspapers, I can’t get any sense
out of them. There is some little letters like” dis” and” dat” that I can
read. The other things I don’t understand. No, I can’t spell “dis” and
“dat.” Yes, I can spell “school,” and I can’t spell “collar,” I can spell
“shirts.” I can spell “shoes,” and “hat.” I spell “cat” with a “k.” I
can spell “dog,” and most simple little words like that. I don’t know
about spelling “mother.” I can spell “papa.” I spell it p-a-p-a. I can’t
spell “‘father ” or “‘jury” or “judge” or “stockings.” I never did go to
school further than the first grade. I went to school about a year. I can
spell” day,” but not” daylight,” I can spell” beer” but not” whiskey.”
I couldn’t read the name “whiskey.” No, I can’t read any letter on that
picture there (Exhibit A, State). I can’t figure except with my fingers.
I know the figures as far as eight, as far as twelve. I knows more about
counting than I do about figuring. I don’t know what year it was I went
to school. I worked for Truitt about two years, for Mr. Coates five years,
for Mr. Woodward and Mr. Honeywell about a year and a pressing club
about two years, Orr Stationery Company three or four months, Dr. Pal-
mer about a year and a half, and then I went to work for the pencil fac-
tory. Mr. Herbert Schiff employed me at the pencil factory. Sometimes
Mr. Schiff paid me off, sometimes Mr. Gantt, sometimes Mr. Frank. I
don’t remember when I saw Mr. Frank pay me off or how many times. I
drawed my money very seldom. I would always have somebody else
draw it for me. I told Mr. Holloway to let Gordon Bailey draw my money
mostly. He’s the one they call “Snowball.” The reason why I didn’t
draw it myself I would be owing some of the boys around the factory and
I didn’t have it to pay, and I would leave the factory about half past
eleven so that I didn’t have to pay it, and then I would have Snowball

draw my money for me mostly. I would see him afterwards and he would
give me the money. Sometimes I would go down through the basement
out the back way to keep away from them. The reason I let them draw
my money I owed some of them, and some of them owed me and I wanted
them to pay me first before I paid them. I didn’t want to get my money
on the inside because I didn’t want them to see such a little I was draw-
ing to what they were drawing. I wasn’t drawing but $6.05. Snowball
was drawing $6.05. As to who it was I didn’t want to see what I was
drawing, there was one named Walter Pride; he’s been there five years.
He said he drew $12.00 a week. Then there was Joe Pride, he told me he
drew $8.40 a week. They were down in the basement and asked me how
much I was drawing. I told them it wasn’t none of their business. Then
there was a fellow named Fred. I don’t know how much he drew. The
next one was the fireman. I don’t know how much he drew. There were
two or three others, but I didn’t have no talk with them. I was just hid-
ing what I drew from Walter Pride. As to whether I couldn’t draw my
money after Walter drew his without his knowing it, well he would al-
ways be down there waiting for me. As to whether I couldn’t get my
money without his being behind me and seeing what I got, he could see if
I tore open the envelope. I had to open it to pay them with. That’s the
reason I didn’t go and draw my money. I know I could have put it in my
pocket, but I couldn’t tear it open unless I took it out. Yes, the reason I
didn’t draw my money was because I didn’t want to pay them. That’s
the reason I let Snowball draw my money. They could have slipped up
behind me and looked. As to whether I couldn’t walk off and keep them
from seeing it, if I didn’t tear it open, then they would keep up with me
until I did. He would follow me around. No, I wasn’t trying to keep out
of paying them. As to what I was trying to do, if they paid me then I
would pay them. The way I liked to settle with them, I liked to take
them to the beer saloon and buy twice as much as they get. If I was there
when they come in on me, I would say, “I owe you, let’s drink it up.”

Yes, I would get out of it if I could, but if they saw me walk up and pay
them that way. I paid Walter Pride sometimes that way and sometimes
the other way. I would say, “I owe you fifteen cents, I buy three beers,
and you owe me fifteen cents, and that be three beers.” I say if I would
be in the beer saloon when they come in there, I would do that, but if I
could get out before they saw me, I would be gone. I never did know
what time the watchman come there on Saturday, or any Saturday. I
never have seen the night watchman in the factory. I have seen young
Mr. Kendrick come and get his money. He always comes somewhere
about two o’clock to get his money. I-have seen him lots of times Satur-
day and get his money. He always got it from Mr. Frank at two o’clock.
No, I didn’t know Newt Lee. I heard them say there was a negro night
watchman, but I never did know that he was a negro. I knew they paid
employees off at twelve o’clock. I don’t know what time the night watch-
man would come there to work. Mr. Holloway stays until 2:30. I couldn’t
tell the first time I ever watched for Mr. Frank. Sometimes during the

last summer, somewhere just about in July. As to what he said to get
me to watch for him that was on a Saturday, I would be there sweeping
and Mr. Frank come out and called me in his office. I always worked un-
til half past four in the evening. I would leave about half past twelve,
ring out and come back about half past one or two. Sometimes I would
ring in when I came back and sometimes I wouldn’t. I ringed in every
morning when I came. I never did ring in much. I would do it after
they got after me about it. It was my habit not to do it. As to how they
would know how much to pay me if I didn’t ring in, I knew they paid me
$1.10 a day, all the time. No, they didn’t pay me by the clock punches,
they paid me by the day, they paid me ll cents an hour. Sometimes I would
punch the clock when I got there; that was my duty. Sometimes I was
paid when I didn’t work, I don’t know how that happened, but Mr. Frank
would come and tell me I didn’t take out that money for the time you lost
last week. I don’t know on what date he ever did that on. Yes, I always
got my money in envelopes. As to how they would know how much to
put in the envelope, when I didn’t punch, they would come and ask if
I was here every time I didn’t ring in, and they would ask Mr. Holloway
if I was here. If the clock didn’t show any punch, they would ask me if I
was here at that hour. No they wouldn’t ask how many hours I was here,
they would just ask if I was here a certain hour and then they would pay
me for the full day, whether I punched the clock or not, just so I punched
it in the morning. The lady that was with Mr. Frank the time I watched
for him some time last July was Miss Daisy Hopkins. It would always
be somewhere between 3 and 3:30. I was sweeping on the second floor.
Mr. Frank called me in his office. There was a lady in there with him.
That was Miss Daisy Hopkins. She was present when he talked to me.
He said “You go down there and see nobody don’t come up and you will
have a chance to make some money. The other lady had gone out to get
that young man, Mr. Dalton. I don’t know how long she had been gone.
She came back after a while with Mr. Dalton. They came upstairs to Mr.
Frank’s office, stayed there ten or fifteen minutes. They came back down,
they didn’t go out and she says, “All right, James.” About an hour af-
ter that Mr. Frank came down. This lady and man after she said “All
right, James” went down through the trap door into the basement.

There’s a place on the first floor that leads into another department and
there’s a trap door in there and a stairway that leads down in the base-
ment, and they pull out that trap door and go down in the basement. I
opened the trap door for them. The reason I opened the trap door be-
cause she said she was ready, I knew where she was going because Mr.
Frank told me to watch, he told me where they were going. I don’t know
how long they stayed down there. I don’t know when they came back. I
watched the door all the time. Mr. Dalton gave me a quarter and went
out laughing and the lady went up the steps. Then the ladies came down
and left, and then Mr. Frank came down after they left. That was about
half past four. He gave me a quarter and I left and then he left. The
next Saturday I watched was right near the same thing. It was about

the last of July or the first of August. The next Saturday I watched for
him about twelve o’clock he said “You know what you done for me last
Saturday, I want to put you wise for this Saturday.” I said, “All right,
what time ?” He said, “Oh, about half past.” After Mr. Holloway left,
Miss Daisy Hopkins came on in into the office, Mr. Frank came out of the
office, popped his fingers, bowed his head and went back into the office.
I was standing there by the clock. Yes, he popped his fingers and bowed
to me, and then I went down and stood by the door. He stayed there
that time about half an hour and then the girl went out. He gave me half
a dollar this time. The next time I watched for him and Mr. Dalton too,
somewhere along in the winter time, before Thanksgiving Day, some-
where about the last part of August. Yes, that’s somewhere near the
winter. This time he spoke to me on the fourth floor in the morning.

Gordon Bailey was standing there when he spoke to me. He said, “I
want to put you wise again for to-day.” The lady that came in that day
was one who worked on the fourth floor; it was not Miss Daisy Hopkins.

A nice looking lady, kind of slim. She had hair like Mr. Hooper’s. She
had a green suit of clothes on. When Miss Daisy Hopkins came she had
on a black skirt and white waist the first time. I don’t know the name of
that lady that works on the fourth floor. Yes, I have seen her lots of
times at the factory, but I don’t know her name. She went right to Mr.
Frank’s office, then I went and watched. She stayed about half an hour
and come out. Mr. Frank went out of the factory and then came back. I
stayed there and waited for him. He said, “I didn’t take out that
money.” I said, “Yes, I seed’you didn’t. He said “That’s all right, old
boy, I don’t want you to say anything to Mr. Herbert or Mr. Darley about
what’s going on around here.” Next time I watched for him was Thanks-
giving Day. I met Mr. Frank that morning about eight o’clock. He said
“A lady will be in here in a little while, me and her are going to chat, I
don’t want you to do no work, I just want you to watch.” In about half
an hour the lady came. I didn’t know that lady, she didn’t work at the
factory. I think I saw her in the factory two or three nights before
Thanksgiving Day in Mr. Frank’s office. She was a nice looking lady. I
think she had on black clothes. She was very tall, heavy built lady. Af-
ter she came in that Thanksgiving Day morning, I closed the door after
he stamped for me to close it. She went upstairs towards Mr. Frank’s
office. Mr. Frank came out there and stamped, and I closed the door.

Mr. Frank said, “I’ll stamp after this lady comes and you go and close
the door and turn the night latch.” That’s the first time he told me about
the night lock. And he says, “If everything is all right you kick against
the door,” and I kicked against the door. After an hour and a half Mr.
Frank came down and unlocked the doors and says, “Everything is all
right.” He then went and looked up the street and told the lady to come
on downstairs. After she came down, she said to Mr. Frank, “Is that
the nigger ‘?” and Mr. Frank said, “Yes,” and she said, “Well, does he
talk much ?” and he says, “No, he is the best nigger I have ever seen.”
Mr. Frank called me in the office and gave me $1.25. The lady had on a
blue skirt with white dots in it and white slippers and white stockings
and had a gray tailor-made coat, with pieces of velvet on the edges of it.
The velvet was black and the cloth of the coat was gray. She had on a
black hat with big black feathers. I left a little before 12 o’clock. I
didn’t see anybody else there that day at the office. The next time I
watched was way after Christmas, on a Saturday about the middle of
January-somewhere about the first or middle. It was right after New
Year, one or two, or three or four days after. It was on a Saturday. He
said a young man and two ladies would be coming. That was that Sat-
urday morning at half past seven. I was standing by the side of Gordon
Bailey when he come and told me, and he said, I could make a piece of
money off that man. Yes, Snowball could hear what he said. The man
and ladies came about half past two or three o’clock. They stayed there
about two hours. I didn’t know either one of the ladies. I can’t describe
what either one of them had on. The man was tall, slim built, a heavy
man. I have seen him at the factory talking to Holloway, he didn’t work
there. I have seen him often talking to Holloway, through the week. You
asked me what I did the second Saturday after I watched for him, well, I
don’t remember. As to what I did the Saturday I watched for him the
second time, I disremember what I did. The Saturday after that, I think
about the first of August, I did some more watching for him. I don’t re-
member what I did the Saturday before Thanksgiving Day. I don’t re-
member what I did the Saturday after Thanksgiving Day. I don’t re-
member what I did the next Saturday. I don’t know, sir, what I did the
next Saturday. The next Saturday I did some watching for him. I
watched for him somewhere about the last of November after Thanks-
giving Day. No, I don’t remember any of those dates. Couldn’t tell you
to save my life what time I left home the first time I watched for him. I
couldn’t tell you what time I got to the factory the second time I watched
for him, nor what time I left home. I don’t know whether I drew my
money on the first Saturday I watched for him. I disremember whether
anybody else drew my money for me the second Saturday I watched for
him. I don’t know how much I drew. I couldn’t tell you whether I drew
my money Thanksgiving Day or not. I don’t know how much I drew. I
don’t remember what time I got down or what time I left. I don’t know
when I got to the factory the day before Thanksgiving, or how long I
worked there. I don’t remember how many hours I worked the first Sat-
urday I watched for him or the second, or the third, or Thanksgiving
Day. No, I don’t know how much I drew on those days. The first time I
was in prison was in September. The next was sometime before Christ-
mas, I can’t remember the date. I was there thirty days. It was some-
where along in October. A year before that I was in prison too, about
thirty days. I have been in prison three times since I have been with the
pencil company. I have been in prison about three times within the last
three or four years. I have been in prison seven or eight times within the
last four or five years. I can’t give you any of the dates, nor how long I
stayed there any of the times that I was there. I don’t know what month

or what day it was, nor how long I stayed there. I knew the factory was
not going to be run on April 26th. Yes, Snowball and I drank beer to-
gether sometimes in the building. Yes, we used to go down in the base-
ment and drink together, but he aint the only man. I never was drunk at
the factory. Snowball wasn’t there the first Saturday I watched for Mr.
Frank. I think he laid off. I don’t know whether he was there the sec-
ond or third Saturdays, I didn’t see him Thanksgiving morning, but I
saw him the day before Thanksgiving. That was the time that Mr. Frank
told me to watch for him. He talked to me before Snowball. I don’t
know whether Snowball was there in January when I watched. Snow-
ball was there in January in the box room when Mr. Frank told me to
watch for him. I don’t know whether Mr. Frank knew he was there or
not.

There were eight niggers in all working in the factory.

Snowball, the fireman and me did just plain manual labor, the rest of the negroes
had better jobs. Snowball, the fireman and I were the last negroes to get
jobs there. We were the new darkies; the others had been working there
before we went there. Mr. Frank used to laugh and jolly with me. I
couldn’t tell you the first time he did this. Mr. Darley has seen him jol-
lying me. They would jolly me together. They would play and go on
around there with me. It has been so long ago I can’t tell you any of the
jokes. Mr. Schiff and Mr. Holloway has seen him joking with me. He
would say, “Come on I am going to make a graveyard down there in the
basement if you don’t hurry and bring that elevator back up here.” Mr.
Holloway heard him say that. Mr. Schiff has seen him playing with me.
He would goose me and punch me and tell me I was a good negro. I don’t
remember anything else he said. Yes, Mr. Darley would goose me and
kick me a little bit, just playing with me. Mr. Schiff would crack jokes
with me. I don’t remember the time. The time Mr. Frank came in the
elevator and told me about watching for him, he didn’t know Snowball
was in there. Snowball was standing right there by me. Mr. Frank could
have seen him and he could have heard anything that was said. He saw
Snowball standing there, I have been at the factory over two years. I
don’t remember the day or month I went there. It was some time in 1910.
I don’t remember whether it was summer or winter. Miss Daisy Hop-
kins worked on the fourth floor in 1912. I don’t know when she quit. I
saw her working from June, 1912, up until about Christmas. Yes, I
worked on the same floor with her, I don’t know whether she worked
there in 1913. Miss Daisy was a low lady, kind of heavy, and she was
pretty, low, chunky kind of heavy weight. I don’t know what color hair
she had or eyes, or her complexion. She was light skinned. She looked
to be about twenty-three. I know she was there in June, because she gave
me a note to take down to Mr. Schiff. I remember that because the note
had June on it. Mr. Schiff said it had “June” on it when he read it. I
can’t read but he read that note and he read ‘June something,” it was
on the outside of the note. It was on the back of the note. “June” was
written on the back of that note. She wrote the note and folded it up
and he read “June” on the back of it and he laughed at it. The reason

I know she left the factory during Christmas because Mr. Dalton told
me she wasn’t coming back. He told me that one Saturday coming down
to the factory. I never have seen Mr. Dalton except at the factory. No,
he doesn’t work there. I saw him somewhere along in January. He came
out that time by himself. He and a lady had been down in the basement.
The last time I saw him the detectives brought him down at the station
house and asked if I had ever seen him in there. I saw Mr. Holloway at
the factory the first Saturday I watched for Mr. Frank. The next Satur-
day I watched, he was sick and wasn’t there. He was sick two Saturdays
in June. I disremember whether I saw Mr. Schiff and Mr. Darley. I re-
member seeing Mr. Darley at the factory on Thanksgiving Day. I don’t
remember what time he left. I couldn’t tell you anybody who came to
the factory the first Saturday I watched. The second time I think there
were some young ladies working up on the fourth floor. I don’t know
about the third time. I don’t know whether anybody was working there
Thanksgiving or not. I didn’t see Mr. Schiff at all. I will swear that he
was not in the office with Mr. Frank. I don’t know whether any ladies
were working there the next time or not. I have been back in the metal
department, but I never have been on the right hand side where the” ma-
chines are. I have swept on the second floor, but not in the metal depart-
ment. I don’t know where those vats are back there. I don’t know what
you are talking about. I don’t know anything about the plating room. I
never have been in Mr. Quinn’s office. I have put disinfect-ants in the
ladies’ and gentlemen’s closets back there. I wouldn’t go inside. I would
only go to the door. I stood outside of the door and sprinkled it in a little
way. Outside of that, and going to Mr. Quinn’s office I have never been
on the left hand side of the factory. I have been there where they wash
the lead at, and I have stuck bills in Mr. Quinn’s office. Yes, I have been
back in there where that dark place is. I don’t know how many times I
have stacked some boxes back there. I have been back there three times
altogether. Sometime before Christmas. Yes, sir, you can see from the
top of the stairway back in there. I have been back there three times
altogether. Sometime before Christmas. Yes, sir; you can see from the
top of the stairway to Mr. Frank’s inside office. A man sitting at Mr.
Frank’s desk can see people coming up the stairway if he is watching for
them. If the safe door is open I don’t hardly think he can see them. If
it is shut he can. I am certain of that. I thought you were talking about
the third floor. He couldn’t see people coming up from the first floor. He
can see them after they get along by the clock. I left the factory 5:30
Friday afternoon, before the factory stopped. I think I punched when I
went out. One of them was ten minutes fast. That was the one on the
right, I left there without drawing my money because I knew I wasn’t
going to draw but $2.75 and I owed the watchman a dollar and I knowed
I wouldn’t have enough for me and to pay him and I told Mr. Holloway
to let Snowball draw it for me. Snowball drew it for me and met me at
the shoe shop at the corner of Alabama and Forsyth Street. He gave me
$3.75. I wasn’t supposed to draw but $2.75, and Mr. Frank taken that
dollar for the watchman and stuck an extra dollar in my envelope and
that made $3.75. I don’t remember how many beers I drank Friday.

Yes, I told Mr. Scott I got up at 9 o’clock that morning. That wasn’t
true. I ate breakfast about seven. Yes, I told Mr. Black I ate at 9:30.
That wasn’t true. I left my house between 7 and 7:30. I told Mr. Scott
I left somewhere between 10 and 10:30. No, that wasn’t true. I got to
Peters Street about 25 minutes to 8. I don’t know how long I stayed
there. Some things in my affidavit that I made that are true. Yes, there
are some things in my last affidavit that are true. I was arrested on the
first of May. I sent for Mr. Black to come down when I made my first
statement on May 18th. Yes, I denied I had been to the factory in that
statement. I made that statement in the detectives’ office. Mr. Black
and Mr. Scott were present. They didn’t question two or three hours. I
did some writing before then, before that statement was made. Yes, I
know I did some writing before May 18th. I did some writing in Chief’s
office that Sunday. I told Black I bought whiskey on Peters Street at
about 10:30. I told them I paid forty cents for ft. I don’t remember tell-
ing them that I bought the whiskey at 11 o’clock. Yes, I told them I went
into the Butt-In Saloon after I went to Earley’s for the whiskey. Some
of it I told them was the truth and some of it wasn’t. They asked me if I
was lying and I held my head down. I held back some of the truth, and
when they asked me if that was the truth I hung my head down. I didn’t
want to give the man away, but I wanted to tell some and let him see what
I was going to do and see if he wasn’t going to stick to his promise as he
had said. I told them I went into Butt-In Saloon and saw some negroes
at tables shooting dice and I won ninety cents and bought a glass of beer.
I told them that I went to three beer saloons. I told them after I went
home at 2:30, I went to Joe Carr’s saloon and got 15c. worth of beer. I
don’t remember telling them that I went there between 3:30 and four
o’clock. The detectives talked to me nearly every day after I made my
first statement. Sometimes hours at a time. No, they didn’t cuss me.
Yes. I sent for Black on May 24th. When the statement came out in the
papers that’s the time I sent for him. As to how I knew it came out in
the papers, I heard the boys across the street hollering extra papers. Mr.
Black came down after I sent for him and I told him it’s awful hot in
here, and I told him I was going to tell him something, but I wasn’t going
to tell him all of it now. I told him that I would tell him part and hold
part back. Scott and Black were both there. Yes, I told Mr. Black on
May 24th, the time I made the second statement, that I helped tote the
little girl. I sure remember that. I think I told them about Mr. Frank
getting me to watch for him, that he told me he struck a girl and for me
to go back and get her. I didn’t give Mr. Frank clear away that time. I
kept some things back. I don’t remember now whether I told them at
that time or not. I don’t know whether I told them about going down
the basement or not. The first time I told them I wrote the notes on Fri-
day. They didn’t tell me my story wouldn’t fit. I don’t remember them
telling me anything about changing my statement. I told them that was

all I had to say. They never told me they wanted me to tell anything
else. They didn’t say anything to me that it didn’t sound right. Mr.
Black talked to me right smart and Mr. Lanford talked to me a little. No,
they never talked to me a whole day. As to why I changed my statement
from Friday to Saturday, I put it on Saturday, because I was at the fac-
tory on Saturday. As to why I didn’t put myself there on Saturday, the
blame would be put on me. I didn’t want them to know that I had writ-
ten any notes for Mr. Frank. Yes, in that statement I told the officers I
was going to tell the whole truth. I told them that I got up at nine
o’clock, because there was nothing doing at the factory that day at the
time. I said I was there at 9 o’clock, because he had done told me where
to meet him at. Yes, I told them that I was going to tell the whole truth.
Yes, the reason I told them I left home at 9 or 9:30, because there was
not anything doing at the factory at that time. I told them it was about
9 o’clock when I looked at the clock, because I don’t know what time it
was when I looked at the clock, and I told them I had some steak and
some sausage for breakfast and a piece of liver and I drank some tea and
bread. Well, there was some sausage, but I don’t know whether I ate it
or not. Yes, I had steak, liver and sausage for breakfast. I know I ate
the steak and a piece of liver, and drank a cup of tea and ate some bread.
I got up that morning at six o’clock. Yes, I told the officers I got up at 9
or 9:30. I don’t remember anything else I told them. Yes, I told them
that I went straight to Peters Street and went in the first beer saloon
there, and drank two beers and gave a fellow a beer, that had a whip
around his neck. I told them three saloons and I called two names. I
don’t know whether I told them about this whiskey or not. I told them
I bought it between 10 and 10:30. No, that is not true. I told them that
on account of my saying I didn’t leave home until about 9 or 9:30. I
bought it about a quarter to eight. The reason I told these lies about the
time was because I didn’t want to put myself at the factory twice, be-
cause there wasn’t anything doing at the factory that morning. That is
the only reason I told that story. I don’t know when the first time was I
told them I got there at 8 o’clock instead of 10 or half past, it was after I
got out of jail up there. I guess I made most of these changes after I got
out of jail. I don’t know who the detective was I told about my not leav-
ing home at 9 o’clock. Four of them were talking to me, all at the same
time. I think it was Starnes and Campbell that I told that to, about
changing the time. I don’t remember whether I told them then that I
was going to tell the whole truth. I told them that after I got out of jail,
after I got back to headquarters. If you tell a story you know you’ve got
to change it. A lie won’t work, and you know you’ve got to tell the whole
truth. Yes, I knew it was bound to come when I told it the first time. I
didn’t tell the whole truth then, because I didn’t want to give the whole
thing away then. In the statement where I told about my moving the lit-
tle girl for Mr. Frank, the reason why I didn’t correct it then about the
time I bought the liquor, I don’t know whether I did it then or not, but I
did tell them. I told them I drank four or five beers that morning. I told

them at the first saloon I bought two beers. I didn’t tell them I bought
any wine at that time. I told them I had some wine put in my beer. What
they call wine. It wasn’t any wine though. I don’t know whether I told
them that in the statement I made about moving the little girl or not.
The wine was put in my beer at Mr. Earl’s beer saloon on Saturday morn-
ing. I told that to Mr. Black and Mr. Scott, I don’t remember when. As
to my not testifying about that yesterday, you didn’t ask me that. I re-
member telling you that yesterday. I remember saying I didn’t buy any
wine. No, I didn’t say anything about putting beer in wine yesterday,
but I remember I said something about putting wine in beer. I know I
told you that yesterday. I don’t remember telling them I started straight
from Peters Street to Capital City Laundry. I told them I started for the
laundry after leaving Mr. Frank at the factory. If they have got it down
there, I must have said so. I don’t remember saying it. I told them I
met Mr. Frank at the corner of Nelson and Forsyth Street before I went
to the factory. Yes, I told them I went from Peters Street and met him
at the corner of Nelson and Forsyth before I went to the factory. As to
why I told them that story, because I did meet him there. No, I didn’t go
straight from Peters Street to meet him at the corner of Nelson and For-
syth as I told them. I went straight from Peters Street to the pencil fac-
tory. I don’t remember when the first time I told the truth about it. I
told it either to Mr. Starnes, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Black or Mr. Scott. I
told it after I got out of jail, I remember telling the officers when he said
“Ah, ha,” when I met him at the corner. I don’t remember telling the
officers that he asked me where I was going and I told him I was going to
the Capital City Laundry to see my mother. I don’t remember saying
that to the officers. If I did say that it was not the truth. As to why I
lied about that, because I did tell Mr. Frank down there when I left the
factory that I was going to see my mother. I told the officers he stayed
at Montag’s about 20 minutes. I did tell you yesterday that I didn’t have
any idea how long he stayed there, because I haven’t any idea now. As to
why I didn’t say yesterday that it was 20 minutes, because you didn’t ask
me. I didn’t tell Mr. Dorsey how long it was, because he didn’t ask me
what I told detectives about it, but I told detectives that. I told them that
story because I didn’t have any idea how long he stayed there. I don’t
know how long Mr. Frank stayed there. I told the officers 20 minutes as
that was the best I could do about it, so I just told him 20 minutes. I
told the detectives about wanting me to watch for him when I got back to
the factory. I don’t know why I didn’t tell them that at the time I told
them about moving the body. I don’t remember who I told it to or when,
but I told them. I did tell them about Mr. Frank stamping his foot. I
don’t know whether I told them at the time I told about helping move the
body. I told it to Mr. Scott, Mr. Black, Mr. Campbell, Mr. Starnes and
Mr. Dorsey. Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell wasn’t in there sometimes
when I told it. No, I didn’t tell it to Mr. Scott and Mr. Black. They
dropped the case and Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell taken it up. They
came down and was talking to me for a month or more in my cell. Yes, I

told Mr. Black about Frank stomping his foot and Mr. Scott. I told them
all about it. Yes, I told the detectives that the first party I saw going up
the factory after I got back from Montag’s was Miss Mattie Smith. That
was a mistake. I didn’t see Mr. Darley go up after I got back from Mon-
tag’s. No, I didn’t say yesterday that I saw him go up after I got back
from Montag’s. I don’t know whether Mr. Darley saw me or not. I was
sitting right there at the box. He could have seen me if he had looked, so
could Miss Mattie Smith. The rest of them could have seen me if they
had looked. Yes, I told the officers the first time I saw them go up was
after I got back from Montag’s. That was not so. I was just mistaken
about it. Don’t know when I corrected the mistake or to whom. Yes, I
stated it to Mr. Dorsey. It was after I came from jail. I have corrected
it to Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell too. It was about 11:30 when Mr.
Darley left the factory, right after we got back from Montag’s. It may
have been about 11 o’clock. Miss Mattie Smith left the factory some-
where about 9:30. It was after we got back from Montag’s that I saw Mr.
Darley leave. Mr. Holloway and the peg-legged negro went upstairs and
came down before Mr. Darley left the factory. They could have seen me
sitting on the box, as they came out the factory. Mr. Holloway left about
10 or 15 minutes after Mr. Darley left. It may have been four or five min-
utes. After Mr. Holloway left, I told them Mr. Quinn came in. I may
have told them that a lady dressed in green was the next one. That
wasn’t true. A lady in green did go up before Mr. Darley came down.
She came down before Holloway and Darley left. If I told the officers
that she went up after they left, I made a mistake. Mr. Quinn was the
next man that went up after Mr. Holloway came down. Yes, I said that
yesterday. Yes, I said yesterday Mr. Quinn was the last man I saw come
down. No, I didn’t say yesterday Miss Monteen Stover came down after
Mr. Quinn came down. I might have told the officers that I saw Mr. Hol-
loway return upstairs, turn to the right toward Hunter Street and go in
the factory. If I did, I made a mistake. I don’t remember all the mis-
takes I made. No, I have never told about a lady going up there after
them six or seven minutes, I was mistaken. I don’t know whether I have
ever corrected that mistake or not. She went upstairs and Mr. Quinn
went up and came down before she did. If I told the officers she stayed
there 7 or 8 minutes and came right down, I made a mistake. I don’t
think I corrected that mistake at all. I don’t know how long it was after
she came down before any body else went up and down. If I told the offi-
cers it was 10 or 15 minutes that was a mistake. I don’t think I corrected
that mistake at all. I haven’t got any idea at all how long before the lady
in green came down that anybody else went up. Yes, I told Mr. Scott and
Mr. Black that the only people who went up at all were Miss Mattie
Smith, Darley, Holloway and the woman in green, and nobody went up
and down until Mr. Frank whistled. No, that wasn’t true. The reason
why I told that story was because I didn’t want them to know that these
other people passed by me, for they might accuse me. The reason why I
didn’t tell them was because I didn’t want people to think that I was the

one that done the murder. I told them that I saw those four men go up
because I didn’t think they saw me sitting there, and I didn’t tell of see-
ing the other people for fear they would report on me. The reason why I
told the police about those four going up there, because that is all I could
remember that went up and down. I don’t know when my memory got
fresher about other people going up and down. I think it was after I got
out of jail. I think I corrected that with Mr. Starnes, Mr. Campbell and
Mr. Dorsey, at police headquarters. After I corrected with the detectives
down at headquarters, they took me to Mr. Dorsey’s office. I have been
in Mr. Dorsey’s office three times. Mr. Dorsey was down at headquarters
with me I think about four times. As to whether it took Mr. Dorsey about
seven times to get my testimony straight, it didn’t take him that long to
get it straight, it took that long for me. As to why I didn’t tell it all, I
didn’t want to tell it all. I was intending to hold back some. I didn’t want
to tell it all right at one time. I just told a little and kept back a little.
Yes, and Mr. Dorsey went down seven times while I was telling some and
holding back some. They didn’t ask me to take back any stories. No, it
didn’t take Mr. Dorsey seven times to tell the story. Yes, I said I added
to it every time he went down. But he wouldn’t came back and try to do
anything with it. I didn’t tell the officers that I went to a moving pic-
ture show after I left the factory. I said I looked at the pictures from the
outside. I told them I went on Peters Street and looked at the pictures
from the outside. I stayed there about ten or fifteen minutes. I drank
two glasses of beer. I don’t know whether it was in the first, second or
third statement that I told about watching for Mr. Frank. Two of the
detectives were there. Yes, I locked the front door that Saturday of the
murder. I don’t know what time. It was somewhere after dinner. I
can’t give you any estimate. It was later than 12 o’clock. It wasn’t one
o’clock, because it was four minutes to one after I went upstairs and came
downstairs and unlocked the door. Yes, I heard the stamping before I
locked the door, and I heard the scream before I heard the stamping. Af-
ter he stamped for me I went and locked the door. I couldn’t tell to save
my life how long the door stayed locked. I was upstairs between the time
I locked the door and the time I went down and unlocked it. I unlocked
the door before I went upstairs. I locked the door when he stamped and
I unlocked it when he whistled. As soon as he whistled I unlocked the
door and went upstairs. Mr. Frank sent me back in the metal depart-
ment. He wouldn’t go back there with me. When he whistled that was
the signal for me to unlock the door and the stamping was for me to un-
lock the door. He showed me how to lock the door that day. He showed
me how to lock the door on Thanksgiving Day too. I don’t know how he
came to show it to me again. I guess he thought I forgot it. When I went
down to leave the door were unlocked, both doors were unlocked. The
only thing I remember Mr. Frank telling me was not to let Mr. Darley
see me around the door, that a young lady would be up there after awhile
to chat, and he wanted me to watch for him. No, he didn’t tell me what
he wanted me to meet him at Nelson and Forsyth Street for. Yes, I could

have come back to the factory just as well as going to meet him at Nelson
and Forsyth Street if he had told me that. I don’t know why he told me
to meet him at Nelson and Forsyth. I don’t remember telling the officers
that I met him accidentally at Nelson and Forsyth Street. Mr. Frank
sayed at Montag’s about an hour. Mr. Frank went to Montag’s between
10 and 10:30 and stayed about an hour. I guess it was about a half an
hour. Mr. Frank didn’t say a thing about why he wanted me at the cor-
ner of Nelson and Forsyth Street. Before we went to Montag’s he said
he didn’t want me to say anything to Mr. Darley that there was going to
be a young lady there after a while, and he told me that again after we
came back from Montag’s. Mr. Frank gave me the signal about stamp-
ing and whistling on Thanksgiving Day and he repeated it again that
day. I told yesterday how he done it, like I am telling now. I think I am
telling the truth now. We had been hack from Montag’s about five min-
utes when the lady in the green dress went up. She stayed up there a
good little while, ten or fifteen minutes. I didn’t tell the officers the peg-
legged negro went up first. I didn’t tell them in the first statement. I
may have told them in the next statement. The peg-legged negro didn’t
stay up stairs no time. Came back down with Mr. Holloway. Mr. Dar-
ley came down five or ten minutes after Mr. Holloway came down. Yes,
that was after he came back from Montag’s. I have no idea what time it
was. After Holloway came down, the lady with the green dress came
down. She went on out and Mr. Quinn came in. He went up and came
down before Monteen Stover came in and before Mary Phagan came in.
Yes, I am certain of that. No one else came in after Mr. Quinn except
Mary Phagan. Mr. Quinn, Monteen Stover and Mary Phagan went in
almost the same time. They went and came out almost together. Quinn
first, Mary Phagan next and Monteen Stover next. Mr. Quinn had al-
ready come out of the factory when Mary Phagan went up. I didn’t see
Mrs. Barrett, or Miss Corinthia Hall or Miss Hattie Hall or Alonzo Mann,
or Emma Clarke. I didn’t see none of them. I never saw Mrs. White go
in there at all that day. I was sitting on the box all the time. I got up
twice to make water. I made water against the elevator door, right in
front of the elevator shaft. Miss Stover had done gone then, and Mr.
Quinn also. I went to sleep after Miss Monteen Stover came down. Don’t
know how long I was asleep, maybe ten or fifteen minutes. I heard the
scream before I went to sleep, before Monteen Stover ever went in there.
Mr. Quinn had already gone. I told the officers I didn’t see Mary Phagan
go up at all. I didn’t tell them I heard any scream. I don’t know when
I first told that story. I told Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell. That was
after I got out of jail. I said I heard the scream before I went to sleep,
which I did. Monteen Stover came up and went down before I went to
sleep. I told Mr. Starnes and Mr. Campbell about somebody running
back on tiptoes. I don’t know when I told them. He woke me up stamp-
inz, then I locked the door, and went to the box and kicked on the side of
the elevator door. It was about ten or fifteen minutes after he stamped
‘hat I heard him whistle. When he whistled I unlocked the door. I don’t

know when I first told about Mr. Frank standing at the top of the stairs,
trembling and nervous. I told Mr. Dorsey, Mr. Starnes and Campbell. I
don’t know why I didn’t tell it the day I told them I was going to tell the
whole truth. I didn’t mean to keep back anything then. That day I told
them everything I remembered. When I got to the top of the stairs, Mr.
Frank had that cord in his hands. I don’t remember when I first told
about that. U I didn’t tell it that day when I said I was telling the whole
truth, I just didn’t remember it. When I told Black and Scott that I was
telling the whole truth I didn’t say anything about Mr. Frank having hit
the little girl. I thought I had told them that. I have told that to some
of the officers. I remember now that I told them that. He told me to get
her out of there some way or other. He didn’t say she was dead. I didn’t
l”now she was dead. I went back there and found the cord around her
neck. When I looked at the clock it was four minutes to one. That was
after I went and seen the girl was dead, and he told me to bring her up
there. I was standing at the steps. I could see the clock from there.
Then I went back and got a piece of striped bed tick, something like your
shirt there, had whitish looking stripes on it. I taken the cloth and spread
it down and rolled the little girl in the cloth and tied it up. When I laid
her down in the cloth, I tied the cloth around her. I did my best. Her
feet were hanging out of the cloth, also her head. If I didn’t tell Black
and Scott anything about the hat and the slippers and the ribbon, they
must not have asked me. I know I took the things and pitched them in
front of the boiler. The elevator don’t hit hard when it hits the ground.
The wheels at the top don’t make any noise. The motor makes a little
noise, something like a June bug. The elevator hits the dirt at the bot-
tom, but it don’t make any noise. I left the factory about 1:30. The rea-
son why I didn’t tell Scott and Black before I wrote four notes instead of
two, they dian’t ask me how many I wrote. Another reason why is, be-
cause Mr. Frank taken that and folded it up like he wasn’t going to use
it. I wrote three notes on white and one on green paper. The green one
is the one he folded up like he wasn’t going to use it. I don’t know how
long it took me to write those notes. I took me somewhere about two
minutes and a half, I reckon. The reason I didn’t tell Scott and Black
about burning the body, because someone had done taken them off the
case. Mr. Scott told me. The first time I told that was to Mr. Starnes
and Mr. Campbell after I came back from jail. I don’t remember telling
the officers that Mr. Frank told me he was going to send those notes to
his folks up North. If they have got it down there I must have said it.
He told me he was going to write to his mother and tell her that I was a
good negro. The reason I didn’t take the parasol down with the shoes,
it was too far back for me to see it. I got my hair cut last week. My law-
yer sent the barber. They gave me a bath and bought me clean clothes.
My wife gave me my shirt. I didn’t read any newspapers on Monday
about this crime. It don’t do me no good because I can’t make any out.
I didn’t try to read any that day. I washed that shirt on Thursday, May
I.t, in the metal room about half past one or two. As to how that dung

came to be in the elevator shaft, when Mr. Frank had explained to me
where he wanted to meet me and just as I started out of the place that
negro drayman came in there with a sack of hay and I gave him a drink
of whiskey that I bought at Earley’s saloon on Peters Street that morn-
ing, and he suggested that I go down in the basement and do it, there’s a
light down there, and I went down the ladder and stopped right by the
side of the elevator, in front of the elevator, somewhere about the edges
of it. No, I didn’t see the two white men go up and talk to Mr. Frank in
his office that day. No, I didn’t see a man by the name of Mincey at the
corner of Carter and Electric Avenue that day. I didn’t tell him that I
killed a girl that day. I didn’t say I killed one to-day and I didn’t want
to kill another. I didn’t tell Harlee Branch that Mary Phagan was mur-
dered in the toilet room on the second floor, or that the body was stiff
when I got back there, or that it took at least thirty minutes to get the
body down stairs and write the notes. I don’t remember telling Miss
Carson on May 1st, that Mr. Frank was innocent. I didn’t have any con-
versation with Miss Mary Pirk on April 28th and she didn’t say that I
committed the crime and I didn’t shoot out of the room immediately af-
ter she said that I didn’t tell Miss Carson on Monday that I was drunk all
day Saturday. I didn’t see her at all on Monday. I didn’t tell Mr. Her-
bert Schiff on Monday that I was afraid to go on the street, that I would
give a million dollars if I was a white man. I said if I was a white man I
would go on out. I didn’t say nothing about no million dollars because I
don’t know what it takes to make a million. I didn’t ask Miss Small on
Monday what the extra had in it and I didn’t say Mr. Frank is just as in-
nocent as you are. I didn’t ask Miss Fuss on Wednesday for an extra, I
didn’t tell her that I thought Mr. Frank was as innocent as the angels in
heaven.

RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION.

I never was in jail until April 26th. I have been down at police head-
quarters several times. First time I was arrested was for throwing
rocks. I was a small boy then. I was arrested another time for fighting
black boys, then I was arrested about drinking and disorderly, and the
last time I was arrested was about fighting again. I never have fought
with a white man or white woman. Police officers took me down to jail
and to door where Mr. Frank was. I never did see Mr. Frank in jail. The
last time I saw Mr. Frank was in the station house before I had talked.
He looked at me and smiled and bowed his head. While I was writing
the notes, Mr. Frank took the pencil out of my hand and told me to rub
out that “a” I had down there on the word “negro.” I saw Mary Pha-
gan’s pocketbook, or mesh bag, in Mr. Frank’s office after he got back
from the basement. It was lying on his desk. He taken it and put it in
the safe. When I went back to see about the girl, it wouldn’t have taken
more than about a minute to go down and lock and unlock the door. He
had time enough to do it. Mr. Scott talked to me about three hours and
a half one Thursday. Mr. Frank told me he would send me away from

here if they caught me. He would get me out on bond and send me away.
I never saw Mincey before seeing him at the station house in Mr. Lan-
ford’s office. I had orders from Mr. Frank to write down how many
boxes we needed and give it to him. I didn’t tell Mr. Black or Mr. Scott
about the mesh bag because they didn’t ask me. I disremember when I
first told about it. I think it was after I was in jail. I told Mr. Dorsey
about it after I came out of jail. Mr. Frank knew for a whole year that
I could write. I used to write for him the word “Luxury,” “George
Washington,” “Magnolia,” “Uncle Remus,” “Thomas Jefferson,”
that’s the name of pencils. I spell ” I Uncle Remus” ” O-n-e Rines. ” I
spell “Luxury” I ‘ “L-u-s-t-r-i-s.” I spell ” I Thomas Jefferson” ” T-o-m
Je-f-f- or J-e-i-s-s.” I spell “George Washington” “J-o-e W-i-s-h-
t-o-n.” After Mr. Frank found out what I meant he understood it. I
spell “ox” “o-x.” Yes I wrote him orders to take money out of my
wages. The pocketbook was a wire looking whitish looking pocketbook,
had a chain to it. You could take it and fold it up and hold it in one hand.
When I wrote the word “Luxury” and “Thomas Jefferson,” I didn’t
have anything at all to copy from. I was writing it down for Mr. Frank.

References:

How did Atlanta’s finest finally crack Jim Conley concealing his role in the crime and protecting Leo Frank? In a breakthrough discovery, detectives found out Conley could write from a pawn shop proprietor in the middle of May, 1913. A pawn contract for a pocket watch was revealed with Conley’s signature: http://www.leofrank.org/library/atlanta-journal-constitution/mary-phagans-murder-was-work-of-a-negro-declares-leo-m-frank-may-31-1913.pdf

How did Leo Frank setup Newt Lee the “Night Witch” as the fall guy? On Sunday morning April 27, 1913, Leo Frank removed Newt Lee’s time card from the clock in front of NV Darley, Newt Lee, WW Boots Rogers and John R Black. Leo Frank claimed the time card was punched perfectly on Sunday, but on Monday, Leo Produced a new time card showing Newt Lee missed 3 punches. What were those 4 punches missed on the doctored time card?: http://www.leofrank.org/images/georgia-supreme-court-case-files/2/0074.jpg

Leo Frank Trial Brief of Evidence, 1913. Available from www.LeoFrank.org on the home page.

3D Map of the NPCo Office Floor and Metal Department: State’s Exhibit A, BOE, 1913

Defendants Exhibit 61, Ground Floor and Second Floor 2D Birds Eye View Maps of the National Pencil Company: http://www.leofrank.org/images/georgia-supreme-court-case-files/2/0125.jpg. Plat of the First and Second Floor of the National Pencil Company (Defendants Exhibit 61, Leo Frank Trial Brief of Evidence, 1913).

Rare: Conley’s lurid details at the trial in transcript form.

Supreme Court of the United States of America, October Term, 1914. Leo M. Frank, Appellant vs. C. Wheeler Mangum, Sheriff of Fulton County, Georgia. Appeal from the District Court of the United States for the Northern District of Georgia. Available in PDF, size 25.5 megs and 552 Pages. The abridged Trial Testimony of Jim Conley with Questions and Answers starts at around page 50/552 and ends at around 110/552.

Extremely Large High Resolution 3D map of of NPCo (right mouse click and save as): http://www.leofrank.org/images/georgia-supreme-court-case-files/2/0060.jpg

Leo Frank Murder Confession #2: See Minola McKnight, State’s Exhibit J, Leo Frank Trial Brief of Evidence, 1913.

Leo Frank’s Admission at the Trial Amounting to Murder Confession #3: http://www.leofrank.org/confession

Leo Frank Murder Confession #4: Atlanta Constitution March 9th, 1914 (Can only be understood in context to Leo Frank murder confession #3).

See the letters and “Love Notes” Jim Conley wrote to Maud Carter in prison at the end of Leonard Dinnerstein‘s 1966 PhD Dissertation: http://www.archive.org/details/TheLeoFrankCase1966Dissertation. Leonard Dinnerstein wrote his dissertation on the Leo Frank case and later turned it into a book that underwent numerous revisions.

Jim Conley was shot in the chest by William Conn while robbing the Conn Drug Company located on 377 West Fair St at the corner of West Fair and Chestnut St. in January 1919, Conley survived the bird shot and was taken to Grady Hospital under security watch. Conley was sentenced to 20 years, but served only 15: http://www.leofrank.org/library/atlanta-journal-constitution/jim-conley-shot-as-store-breaker-by-druggist-conn-jan-14-1919.pdf

Last Updated: April 26, 2012