Closing Argument of Hugh Dorsey, Solicitor General for Atlanta Circuit

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Arguments of Prosecutor Hugh M. Dorsey, August, 1913.

Leo Frank murder trial closing arguments by Hugh Manson Dorsey are published under the title, ARGUMENT OF HUGH M. DORSEY, Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit, AT THE TRIAL OF LEO M. FRANK, Charged with the murder of Mary Phagan. This fascinating 146 page book was produced by Nicholas Christophulos, 411 Third Street, Macon, Georgia (GA) in 1914, through the Press of THE JOHNSON-DALLIS Co., Atlanta, Georgia.

Introduction Forward, Facts of the Crime, Chronological History of the case written by Nicholas Christophulos, Macon, Georgia (GA), April 20th, 1914. Republished in this book before the arguments by Hugh M. Dorsey begin, is part of an article by Sidney Ormond published originally by Atlanta Constitution, August 27th 1913.

Hugh M. Dorsey’s final arguments given at the closing stage of the Leo M. Frank trial, before the Jury is polled, is delivered in this brilliant presentation and is immortalized as the speech which successfully convicted Leo M. Frank.

These abridged final arguments of Hugh M. Dorsey at the Trial of Leo M. Frank, contains the text of some, but not all, of the more than nine hours of closing arguments prosecutor Dorsey made on Aug. 22, 23, and 25, 1913. This 146 page book, was published in 1914 and is drawn from the original Leo M. Frank murder trial transcript, which was produced by stenographers during the month long trial. This powerful book containing the Dorsey Arguments in the Frank Trial is extremely rare, less than 2 dozen copies are known. Only 18 libraries in the United States have copies and the other few remaining known examples are in very exclusive collections.

The Original Trial Transcript: 3,647 pages

Alas, the original 7 volume Leo M. Frank murder trial transcript stenographed on 3,647 pages of legal cap paper was stolen from the Georgia State Archives in the 1960′s and is still missing today, presumed gone forever after 50 years.

The Brief of Evidence (BOE) 1913 Survived

However, of great historical importance, the abridged version of the Leo M. Frank murder trial testimony is recorded in the elusive 1913 Brief of Evidence, which still exists and captures the answers, but not the questions given during the 29 day trial. This once very difficult to get document contains three hundred and eighteen pages of testimony, affidavits, facts and evidence, which is available here online @ www.leofrank.org.

The 318-page Leo Frank Murder Trial Brief of Evidence (BOE 1913) was ratified by both the Leo Frank Legal Defense Team members led by Luther Zeigler Rosser and the Prosecution Team members led by the Solicitor General Hugh M. Dorsey.

The BOE 1913 is the single most important surviving document of all the records in the Leo M. Frank case and should be read by everyone interested in the case, along with all the other primary source materials available, before one delves into the neurotic sea of Jewish conspiratorial secondary sources on the case that re-write history.

A Brief Chronology:

Confederate Memorial Day, Saturday, April 26th 1913, Mary Phagan stepped off the trolley at about noon which was running ahead of time because of the holiday. Leo Frank told Pinkerton detective Harry Scott that Mary Phagan entered his office specifically at minutes after his Stenographer Mrs. Hall had left his office at the Noon whistle. At just minutes after Noon, at about 12:02 PM, thirteen year old little (4’11″) Mary Anne Phagan stepped up inside the National Pencil Company factory at 37-41 Forsyth Street and climbed up the 14ft stairway, walking into Leo Frank’s second floor office asking him if she could collect her pay envelope of $1.20.

Her normal wage was about $4.05 according to her former Paymaster John M. Gantt at the Coroners Inquest. The last 2x times she had worked was an 11 hour day on Friday, April 18, 1913 and a 5 hour shift on Monday, April 21, 1913.

After police questioning numerous people, it was determined Leo Frank became the last person to admit seeing Mary Phagan alive on April 26, 1913 in a virtually empty factory. Her body was found about 15 hours after her murder by the night watch Newt Lee in the early morning hours of Sunday, April 27th 1913 at 3:18 AM. It would mark the beginning of a scandal and conflict that would rock the whole country, gaining nationwide radio, picture show and newspaper coverage launching the case to celebrity status, becoming a cause celeb for the internationalist Jewish community.

After police and detectives arrest several people and questioned dozens more using 3rd degree methods, Leo Frank becomes the prime suspect and was arrested on the morning of Tuesday, April 29, 1913 at about 11:30 AM, it would forever be the last moment of Leo Frank’s freedom.

The Coroners Inquest Jury:

Over 160+ people were sworn under oath and testify during relentless questioning at the Coroners Inquest, resulting in the seven man panel made up of the Prodigious Savant Coroner Paul Donehoo and a Coroners Jury of 6 men together unanimously with a vote of 7 to 0 sign an order that Leo M. Frank be bound over for the murder of Mary Phagan to the Grand Jury for further review of the facts and evidence in the case much more deeply than the inquest to make a decision on whether or not to indict Leo Frank.

The Grand Jury:

After questioning witnesses, much careful review and meticulous deliberation over Inquest testimony and Grand Jury evidence, Leo M. Frank is indicted unanimously (21 to 0) by a Grand Jury of 21 men (including amongst the 21 men are 4 Jewish members) on Saturday, May 24, 1913, exactly four weeks after Mary Phagan was murdered.

Updated “Score” Card

The official score card is now (7 Coroners Inquest Jury + 21 Grand Jury Members= 28 to zero) 28 unanimous votes to 0 against Leo Frank.

Murder Trial, July 28 to August 26, 1913:

Leo Frank is prosecuted during a 29 day trial beginning on Monday, July 28th 1913, and unanimously convicted and sentenced to death by a petite Jury of 12 men on Monday, August 25th 1913, the next day the verdict is affirmed by presiding Judge Leonard S. Roan on Tuesday, August 26th 1913. Roan sentences Leo M. Frank to be hanged by the neck until dead, though it is temporarily stayed on appeal, until Leonard Strickland Roan does the ultimate cruel thing and sentences Leo Frank to die on his 30th birthday, April 17, 1914.

It was a prosecution victory as a result of well thought out, reasoned and logical arguments presented by the State’s Prosecution team including Hugh M. Dorsey, and Frank Arthur Hooper, the culmination of superbly concatenated chain of events, based on the trial testimony, affidavits, facts and evidence. The case was proof that sometimes circumstantial evidence is the best kind of evidence and that it should not be discounted.

Jewish Pseudo Scholars:

Leonard Dinnerstein, Elaine Marie Alphin and many other Jewish pseudo-historians have made slanderous statements, suggesting essentially that Solicitor General Hugh M. Dorsey was an anti-semitic, unscrupulously ambitious, cruel and single minded lawyer who would stop at nothing to advance his own political career, even if it meant “destroying and railroading” an “innocent” Jew Leo Frank “for a crime he did not commit”, all the while letting a “guilty” black rapist and murder go free.

Jewish Defamation

The Frankite smear mongers like Dinnerstein and Alphin are essentially making anti-Jewish blood libel smears against one of the most progressive and greatest Statesmen of 20th century Georgian history, and saying what amounts to essentially claiming Hugh Dorsey was anti-Semite and so twisted as a racist, he would rather see an “innocent” White Jew convicted for a “crime he didn’t commit”, than a “guilty” African-American “pedophile-rapist-murderer”, die at the gallows for the bludgeoning rape and strangulation of Mary Phagan.

Read the Arguments of Hugh M Dorsey with a Neutral Open Mind

Decide for yourself after reading Dorsey’s closing arguments if he is an ambitious sociopath, and anti-Semitic climber who would send an innocent man to die, so that he could mendaciously ascend the political ladder to the highest executive position or if really Dorsey was truly a superb Lawyer who helped put away for good, a pedophile, rapist and murderer.

After reading Dorseys closing arguments, read the closing arguments of Frank Arthur Hooper in American State Trials Volume X 1918, which contains all 4 closing arguments, and compare the prosecution team closing arguments against the Leo Frank defense team arguments given by Luther Rosser and Reuben Arnold. If you were on the Jury, which team made the most compelling and convincing case.

Available here are numerous versions, the OCR Text of the August, 1913, Final Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey, at the Trial of Leo M. Frank for the Murder of Mary Phagan on April 26, 1913. For the better version, download the Adobe PDF version provided.

An abridged version of the Dorsey speech exists in American State Trials Volume X 1918 by John D. Lawson, LLD., the longer version is by itself. To only read the prosecution closing arguments would not be fair and neutral, please make sure you should read all 4 closing argument speeches, including the defense side, to put everything in context, after you study the 1913 Brief of Evidence.

Hugh M. Dorsey Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey
Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M. Frank
with the Murder of Mary Phagan published in 1914

This is the uncorrected OCR text version.

ARGUMENT OF
HUGH M. DORSEY
Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit
AT THE TRIAL OF
LEO M. FRANK
Charged with the murder of Mary Phagan
Published by
N. CHRISTOPHULOS,
411 Third Street
Macon, Ga.

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M. Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan I 1914

Press of THE JOHNSON-DALLIS CO. Atlanta, Georgia

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M. Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan II 1914

FOREWORD.

I have obtained the consent of Solicitor-General Hugh M.
Dorsey’ to print his address to the jury in the Frank trial,
herewith presented, and through him I obtained a copy of
the report of his speech as taken down by a stenographer
employed by the defense, this being the only available copy.

Mr. Dorsey has read the speech at my request and states
that the same is accurate in every respect, in so far as he is
able to recall the same.

I am offering this speech to the public with two ideas, first,
because I believe that in view of the widespread interest
being manifested in this case it will prove a profitable
business venture, and, second, because I believe that the public
will appreciate the opportunity of reading this remarkable
speech exactly as it was delivered.

Solicitor-General Dorsey’s address, occupying as it did the
greater part of three days’ session of the court, and coming
at the climax of a hotly-contested 29-day murder trial, has
been pronounced one of the most powerful addresses of its
kind ever delivered in the state’s history.

The following extract from an article in the Atlanta Georgian
of August 23, 1913, the second day of Mr. Dorsey’s
speech, pays glowing tribute:

“A white-hot phillIppic, the masterpiece of his career and one
of the greatest ever heard in a criminal court in the South, was
hurled by Solicitor Hugh M. Dorsey directly at Leo M. Frank
Saturday in the final plea of the State, and held a packed courtroom
tense and thrilled as the grim tragedy of Memorial day
was unfolded. The solicitor was at the height of his eloquence
at 1:30 o’clock when court adjourned until Monday and he had
been speaking over six hours. The case will probably go to the
jury before Monday noon. The solicitor was cheered as he left
the courthouse.”

On the day after the close of the address the following appeared
in The Constitution, being the introduction of a half page
report of the solicitor’s speech:

“As the big bell in the nearby church tolled the hour of 12
o’clock, Solicitor Dorsey concluded his remarkable plea for the
conviction of Leo 11. Frank with the dreadful words: Guilty, guilty,
guilty!” It was just at this hour nearly four months ago
that little Mary Phagan entered the pencil factory to draw her
pittance of $1.20. The tolling of the bell and the dread sound of
the words cut like a chill to the hearts of many who shivered
involuntarily.

“It was the conclusion of the most remarkable speech which
has ever been delivered in a Fulton County courthouse, a

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M. Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan III 1914

speech which will go down In history stamping Hugh Dorsey as
one of the greatest prosecuting attorneys of this age.”

While the address was yet unfinished the following appeared
in The [Atlanta] Constitution of August 24th:

“The speech being made by Solicitor Dorsey is the longest in
Southern criminal annals. It already has lasted six hours, with
prospects for an additional two or three hours more. The longest
speech previously was four or five hours. That was in the
halcyon days of Charley Hill, who brought tears, smiles and anger
whenever he spoke. Some have said that that grand old
man never made a better speech than Dorsey’s argument. Some
say not so. They have not heard Dorsey. Dorsey’s speech was a
masterly argument, with the stamp of genius in every line, and
in expression of esteem, Atlanta-or a part of Atlanta-did
something it never did before; cheered a solicitor as he came
from the court room.”

The reader of the published address should be informed
that to fully appreciate the speech he would have to have a
full knowledge of all the evidence adduced at the trial, with
which the jurymen, for whose benefit the speech was delivered
were familiar. It is also true that to the casual reader
some confusion may be caused by the frequent use of the
pronoun “you,” applied by the speaker sometimes to the defendant,
sometimes to his attorneys and sometimes to the
jury, each being designated in turn by the Solicitor’s gestures.
The context, however, when carefully noted, will always
show to whom reference is made.

I have had prepared a “Table of Contents,” in which the
entire three days’ address has been analyzed into its divisions
and subdivisions, demonstrating the marvelous continuity
of thought and tenacity of purpose with which the
Solicitor covered the stupendous array of evidence in the
case. I have also added an “Index” at the close, which will
greatly facilitate the reader’s finding the contention of the
state with reference to any particular piece of evidence, or
any other allusion made during the address. A survey of
this “Index” will show the wide range of knowledge displayed
by the Solicitor.

I have also had prepared an introduction, giving the “Facts
of the Crime,” and a “Chronological History of the Case,”
which will be helpful to the reader in keeping the essential
facts in mind.

Parties desiring copies of the speech may address me at
411 Third St., Macon, Ga., or care the printers-Johnson-
Dallis Co., 136 Marietta St., Atlanta, Ga.
N. CHRISTOPHULOS.
Macon, Ga., April 20, 1914.

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan IV 1914

FACTS OF CRIME.

On Saturday, April 26, 1913, Mary Phagan, a fourteen year-
old operative in the employ of the National Pencil Company,
in Atlanta, Ga., left home at a little after 11 o’clock,
going to the pencil factory to get her pay. She had not
worked at the plant since the Monday previous, owing to
the fact that they had no metal for use in her branch of the
work. It is admitted that Leo M. Frank, the superintendent
of the pencil factory, was the last person ever positively
known to have seen her alive.

At about 3 o’clock Sunday morning, April 27th, her dead
body was discovered in the rear of the basement in the building
occupied by the National Pencil Company by the night
watchman, Newt Lee. She had a cord drawn tightly around
her neck, and according to the contention of the State had
been dead from 16 to 20 hours or more at the time her body
was discovered.
The little girl’s underclothing was torn in several places,
and the crime was pronounced by physicians as well as police
officers as unquestionably the work of a pervert. It is
generally conceded that Mary Phagan was an unusually
pretty and attractive child.
Newt Lee, the night watchman, was immediately held by
the police, and several other suspects were arrested during
the next two days, the climax coming on Tuesday, April
29th, when Leo M. Frank was detained at police headquarters
by the authorities, he having been under suspicion since
immediately after the crime was discovered.
CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF CASE
(Covering period of one year after crime.)
April 26, 1914- (Memorial day)-Mary Phagan murdered.
April 29-Leo M. Frank, superintendent of pencil factory,
detained at police station to await action by coroner’s jury.
April 30-Coroner’s jury begins long session, lasting over
a week. Newt Lee and Frank both make statements.
May 1-Jim Conley, negro sweeper, arrested. Considered
unimportant.
May 8-Coroner’s jury orders Frank and Newt Lee held
for grand jury action.

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan V 1914
May 24-Frank indicted by grand jury for murder; Lee
held as material witness.
July 28-Trial of Frank commences before Judge L. S.
Roan, Judge of Stone Mountain Circuit, Superior Court. Following
jury empaneled: F. E. Winburn, foreman; M. L.
Woodward, D. Townsend, A. L. Wisbey, W. M. Jeffries, M.
Johenning, J. T. Ozburn, F. V. L. Smith, A. H. Henslee, W. F.
Medcalf, C. J. Bosshart, and J. F. Higdon.
July 29-Examination of witnesses begins; over two hundred
witnesses called before trial is completed.
August 20-Evidence completed; argument of counsel begins;
Reuben R. Arnold and Luther Z. Rosser speak for defense.
Frank A. Hooper follows, assisting in prosecution.
August 22-Solicitor-General Dorsey begins closing address,
extending over three days.
August 25-Case goes to jury and verdict of guilty is returned.
August 26-Frank sentenced to death on October 10,
1913; attorneys move for new trial.
October 31-Judge L. S. Roan denies motion for new trial;
case appealed to Supreme Court of Georgia.
February 17, 1914-Supreme Court of Georgia affirms
verdict of lower court, by vote of four to two. Motion for
rehearing is made by attorneys for Frank.
February 25-Supreme Court unanimously overrules motion
for rehearing.
March 7-Frank sentenced second time; April 17th set for
date of execution.
April 16-Attorneys Rosser and Arnold file extraordinary
motion for new trial on ground of newly-discovered evidence.
Sentence again stayed.
April 16-New attorneys for Frank file motion to set
aside verdict on constitutional grounds, declaring original
counsel acted without authority in waiving Frank’s presence
at rendering of verdict.
April 22-Hearing of extraordinary motion begins before
Judge B. H. Hill, former chief justice of Court of Appeals,
recently appointed to new judgeship of Fulton Superior
Court.

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan VI 1914
(Atlanta Constitution, Aug. 27, 1913)
HUGH DORSEY’S GREAT SPEECH
FEATURE OF THE FRANK TRIAL
By Sidney Ormond
The Frank trial a matter of history,
Solicitor Hugh Dorsey and his wonderful
speech, which brought the case to a
close, form the subject matter for
countless discussions among all classes
or folk in all sorts of places-on the
street corners, in clubs, newspaper
offices, at the courthouse and wherever
two lawyerz chance to get together for
an exchange of words.
Beyond all dorbt, Hugh Dorsey is the
most talked-of man in the state of
Georgia today. The widespread interest
in the Frank case caused all eyes
from Rabun Gap to Tybee Light to be
centered on this young man, who, up
to a few months ago, was little heard
of outside of the county of Fulton.
The Frank case has been to Atlanta
and the state–in fact, several adjacent
states-what the Becker case was to
New York and the country-at-large.
Made Thorough
Probe.
When Rosenthal was killed by a
gang of gunmen at the Hotel .Metropole,
District Attorney Whitman was
unheard of outside of New York. Today
he is a national figure. The same
thing holds true of Hugh Dorsey in a
lesser degree.
Incidentally, there is another point
of comparison. When Rosenthal was
murdered, Whitman plunged into the
case and personally. directed the investigation
which led up to the arrest
and subsequent conviction of the murderers.
No one criticised him for his
activity in the case. Hugh Dorsey did
the same thing. The Frank case was
one of far too much importance to be
bungled. It was worthy of the beat
efforts of every court official sworn to
uphold the enforcement of the law.
The city was in a state of mental
stress. Lines were closely drawn. It
was no time for mistakes of judgment.
Dorsey knew this. He felt the responsibility
of his position and he entered
into the work of clearing up the awful
mystery with but one end in viewthat
justice should prevail. Unlike
Whitman, he met criticism in some
quarters-a criticism which was unmerited.
He did what he felt to be his
duty, that and nothing more; and it is
certain that, had he felt Frank innocent,
he never would have sought his
indictment by the grand jury.
During the progress of the Frank
trial a close friend of the unfortunate
young man said, in a tone that expressed
some surprise:
“I actually believe Hugh Dorsey
thinks Frank guilty.”
Thought Him
Guilty.
And he was right. Anyone who
knows Hugh Dorsey has never for one
instant doubted that all along he has
been firmly convinced of Frank’s guilt.
Hugh Dorsey is no head-hunter-no
savage thirsting for the blood of innocent
men. He is human, with human
sympathies-tender as a woman at
times, but stern as a Spartan when
duty calls.
It was the call of duty that caused

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan VII 1914
him to probe the murder of little Mary
Phagan; it was the same call which
caused him to prosecute the man he
thought guilty of the murder.
Don’t think for one instant that
Hugh Dorsey did not suffer during the
progress of the trial. He suffered as
seldom a man is called upon to suffer.
It is hard enough to call upon a
jury to convict a man of murder; it is
doubly hard to do so in the presence
of the man’s wife and mother. During
the last half hour of his speech it was
nothing short of torture for him to face
these faithful, devoted women and ask
that the law which condemns men to
death be invoked.
When he said afterward that be felt
for the wife and mother he meant
every word. He is not a man given to
the parade of emotion-men who feel
deeply seldom are.
But back to the trial of the case. If
It is given to one to view the case without
prejudice-and there are many
such in Atlanta-the heroic task which
Hugh Dorsey had before him is apparent.
First, Luther Rosser was employed.
Then Rube Arnold entered the lists
for the defense. No more formidable
array of legal counsel could have been
found in the south. Extremes in
method, manner and temperament,
equally well versed in the law and experienced
in its practice, they formed
a bulwark that few men would care to
attack.
The knowing ones said:
“Well, Hugh Dorsey will get his.
They’ll chew him up and spit him out!”
Did they? Not so you could notice
It. For once Luther Rosser met his
match. For once Rube Arnold crossed
swords with a man who caused him to
break ground.
Fought Them
Every Step.
They tried all sorts of tactics. They
used sarcasm; they interrupted, they
hammered and they hauled, but it was
to no purpose. Dorsey met them at
every turn, countering here, slamming
heads there. He fought them any
fashion they pleased to try.
But his speech was the thing that
proved him master. It was a masterpiece.
No such speech has ever been
heard in the Fulton county courthouse,
and the words are measured as they
are written. It was, as Burton Smith
expressed it, worthy of Bob Toombs in
the first-flush of vigorous manhood. It
was clean-cut, convincing, forceful. ,It
carried conviction with every sentence.
It proved, if proof were needed, that
Hugh Dorsey is a lawyer of whom any
man need have fear. The speech will
live long in the memory of those who
heard it, no matter what opinion may
be entertained of the guilt or innocence
of Leo M. Frank.

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan VIII 1914
OUTLINE OF ADDRESS
L-INTRODUCTORY—————————1
1.-PREJUDICE CHARGE ——————— 2-3
Tribute to Jewish Race ——————- 3
III.-CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ———— 4-20
Reasonable Doubt ———————— 4
Durant Case ————————— 9
Similarity of Durant and Frank Cases ——- 16
IV.-CHARACTER OF FRANK —————- 21-43
Put in Issue by Defense —————— 21
Grand Jury Letters ———————- 22
Failure to Cross-examine —————– 24
Character Evidence ——————— 25
(SECOND DAY)
Weakness of Character —————— 28
Case of Oscar Wilde ——————— 31
Other Cases ————————— 32
Frank’s Alibi ———————— 34-43
V.-PERJURY CHARGES ———————- 43-64
Defense Witnesses ———————- 44
Charge Against Detectives —————- 47
Four Cases of Perjury ——————- 55
Duty of Solicitor ———————– 61
Proof of Perjury ———————– 64
VI.-MURDER NOTES ———————– 65-70
Not in Conley’s Words ——————- 67
Notes Incrfininate Frank —————– 69
IX

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan IX 1914
VII.-FRANK’S STATEMENT —————- 70-130
Legal Value of “Statements” ————– 71
Flaws in Statement ——————— 72
Blood Evidence ———————– 80-90
McKnight Evidence ———————- 91
(THIRD DAY)
Wife’s Absence ————————- 95
Refusal to Face Conley —————— 103
Second Time at Morgue —————— 108
Nervousness ————————– 114
VIII.-CONLEY’S EVIDENCE —————- 130-145
Substantiation ————————- 131
Petition to Judge ———————– 132
Remanded to Police ——————– 137
Overwhelmingly Sustained ————— 139
IX.-CONCLUDING ARRAIGNMENT OF FRANK —-1 45

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan X 1914
ARGUMENT OF HUGH M. DORSEY, SOLICITOR
GENERAL.
May it please Your Honor:
I want to thank you for the courtesy you have granted us
in giving us unlimited time in which to argue this case and
I desire, gentlemen of the jury, to commiserate you. But,
as His Honor has told you, this is an important case; it is
important to society, important to this defendant, important
to me and it is. important to you. I would not feel like slurring
over it for the sake of your physical convenience, and
indeed, as good citizens, although it does inconvenience you,
I feel that you would not have me slur over it. It may be at
some stages a little bit tedious, but a case that has consumed
almost every day for one month, and a case of this magnitude
and importance cannot be argued hurriedly. This case,
gentlemen, is not only, as His Honor has told you, important,
and as I have suggested, but it is extraordinary. It is extraordinary
as a crime,-a most heinous crime, a crime of a demoniac,
a crime that has demanded vigorous, earnest and
conscientious effort on the part of your detectives, and on my
part demands honest, earnest, conscientious consideration
on your part. It is extraordinary because of the prominence,
learning, ability, standing of counsel pitted against me,-
four of them, the Messrs. Arnold, Rosser, the two Messrs.
Haas.
Mr. Leonard Haas: Mr. Dorsey, I’m not of counsel in the
case.
Three of them, then. It is extraordinary because of the
defendant-it is extraordinary in the manner in which the
gentlemen argue it, in the methods they have pursued in the

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 1 1914
management-they have had two of the ablest lawyers,-
Mr. Haas, also, I believe,-Mr. Rosser, “the rider of the wind,
the stirrer of storm ;” Mr. Arnold-and I say it with no disrespect,
because I like him-is “as mild mannered a man as
ever cut a throat or scuttled a ship.” And their conduct
throughout this case has been extraordinary. They have
maligned and abused me; they have abused the detectives;
they have heaped calumny on us to such an extent that that
good lady, the mother of this defendant, was so wrought up
that she arose, and in this presence denounced me as a dog.
Ah, there’s an old adage and it’s true,-”When did any thief
feel the halter draw with a good opinion of the law ?” I don’t
want your good opinion in this case; I neither seek it nor ask
it. If you put the stamp of your approval on me in this case,
I doubt if I would believe in my own honesty.
Prejudice Charge Answered.
“Prejudice and Perjury,” says Mr. Arnold; and they use
the stereotyped phrase that it “fatigues their indignation.”
Ah, gentlemen, don’t you let this “purchased indignation”
disturb your nerves or deter you from your duty. “Purchased
indignation !” You ought to have been indignant,-
you are paid to be so. Prejudice and Perjury! Gentlemen,
do you think that I, or that these detectives are actuated by
prejudice? Would we as sworn officers of the law have
sought to hang this man on account of his race and religion,
and passed up Jim Conley, a negro? Prejudice! Prejudiced,
when they arrested Gantt and released him? Prejudiced,
when they had Newt Lee? No. But when you get Frank,
then you have got prejudice at the same time.
Defense First Mentioned Race.
Now let’s see about this thing. These gentlemen were disappointed
because this case wasn’t pitched on that theory.

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Not a word emanated from this side, not a word indicating
any feeling against, any prejudice against, any human being,
black or white, Jew or Gentile. We didn’t feel it, we
would despise ourselves if we had appeared in this presence
and asked you to render a verdict against any man, black or
white, Jew or Gentile, on account of prejudice. But, ah! the
first time it was ever brought into this case,-and it was
brought in for a purpose, and I have never seen any two men
manifest more delight or exultation than Messrs. Rosser and
Arnold, when they put the questions to George Kendley at
the eleventh hour. A thing they had expected us to do and
which the State did not do because we didn’t feel it and because
it wasn’t in this case. I will never forget how they
seized it, seized with avidity the suggestion, and you know
how they have harped on it ever since. Now, mark you, they
are the ones that mentioned it, not us; the word never escaped
our mouth.
Tribute to Jewish Race.
I say to you here and now that the race from which that
man comes is as good as our race. His ancestors were civilized
when ours were cuttifig each other up and eating human
flesh; his race is just as good as ours,-just so good but no
better.’ I honor the race that has produced a D’Israeli,-the
greatest Prime Minister that England has ever produced; I
honor the race that produced Judah P. Benjamin,-as great
a lawyer as ever lived in America or England, because he
lived in both places and won renown in both places. I honor
the Strauss brothers,-Oscar, the diplomat, and the man who
went down with his wife by his side on the Titanic. I roomed
with one of his race at college; one of his race is my partner.
I served with old man Joe Hirsch on the Board of Trustees
of the Grady Hospital. I know Rabbi Marx but to honor him,
and I know Doctor Sonn, of the Hebrew Orphans’ Home, and
I have listened to him with pleasure and pride.

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But, on the other hand, when Becker wished to put to
death his bitter enemy, it was men of Frank’s race he selected.
Abe Hummel, the lawyer, who went to the penitentiary
in New York, and Abe Reuf, who went to the penitentiary in
San Francisco; Schwartz, the man accused of stabbing a girl
in New York, who committed suicide, and others that I could
mention, show that this great people are amenable to the
same laws as you and I and the black, race. They rise to
heights sublime, but they sink to the depths of degradation.
I wish, gentlemen, to read to you some authorities from
the books referred to by Mr. Arnold,-first, though, I want
to come to this: We don’t ask a conviction of this man except
in conformity with the law which His Honor will give
you in charge. His Honor will charge you that you should
not convict this man unless you think he’s guilty beyond a
reasonable doubt. My friend, Mr. Hooper, read to you, because
you have to read the authorities upon which you are
going to comment, in the opening, and I want to talk to you
about them a little.
Meaning of Reasonable Doubt.
A great many jurors, gentlemen- and the people generally
get an idea that there is something mysterious and unfathomable
about this reasonable doubt proposition. It’s as plain
as the nose on your face. The text writers and lawyers and,
judges go around in a circle when they undertake to define
it; it’s a thing that speaks for itself, and every man of common
sense knows what it is, and it isn’t susceptible of any
definition. One text writer says a man who undertakes to
define it uses tautology,-the same words over again. Just
remember, gentlemen of the jury, that it is no abstruse
proposition, it is not a proposition way over and above your
head,-it’s just common sense, ordinary, every-day practical
question. In the 83rd Georgia, one of our Judges defines it,
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Authorities Quoted.
“A reasonable doubt is one that is opposed to an unreasonable
doubt; it is one for which a reason can be given, and it is
one that is based on reas6n, and it is such a doubt that leaves
the mind in an uncertain and wavering condition, where it is
impossible to say with reason nor certainty that the accused
is guilty.”
And as read to you from Wharton, the great authority,
you are not to doubt as jurors, if you believe as men; that’s
all. If you have a doubt, it must be such a doubt as to control
and decide your conduct in the highest and most important
affairs of life. That’s what they say. It isn’t, gentlemen,
as is said in the case of Johns vs. State, way back in
the 33rd Georgia, “a vague, conjectural doubt or a mere
guess that possibly the accused may not be guilty ;” it isn’t
that; “it must be such a doubt as a sensible, honest-minded
man would reasonably entertain in an honest investigation
after the truth.” That’s in the 47th Georgia. “It must not
be,” as they say, gentlemen, in the case of Butler vs. State,
92nd Georgia, “A doubt conjured up ;” or as they say in the
83rd Georgia, “A doubt which might be conjured up to acquit
a friend.” Of course, you can get up any kind of a
doubt, but it must be an honest, sincere doubt, one which
arises from the evidence or the lack of evidence; that’s what
controls. “It must not be,” they say in the 63rd Georgia, “a
fanciful doubt, a trivial supposition, a bare possibility of innocence,”–
that won’t do, that won’t do; “it doesn’t mean the
doubt,” they say in the 90th Georgia, “of a crank or a man
with an over-sensitive nature, but practical, common sense is
the standard.”
Wharton’s Rule.
Wharton, in his Criminal Evidence, says “The rule is not
that there must be an acquittal in all cases of doubt, because,
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cases, since” says this eminent authority, “there are no cases
without doubt”-catch the idea? “Doubt of the character
that requires an acquittal, must be far more serious than the
doubt to which all human conclusions are subject;” it must,
gentlemen, be a doubt so solemn and substantial as to produce
in the juror’s mind grave, grave uncertainty as to the
verdict of guilty. “It is not,” says Mr. Wharton, “mere possible
doubt,” because, says Chief Justice Shaw, “everything
relating to human affairs and depending upon evidence, is
open to some possible or imaginary doubt.”
Now, this standard, gentlemen, is evident, because it is
obvious to every intelligent person, and as this authority
says, it is incapable, this reasonable doubt phrase, of a precise
definition expressed in words, but a comprehension of its
meaning follows instantly upon the mere use of the word.
That’s the principle. It is incapable of a precise definition;
but a comprehension of its meaning follows instantly upon
the mere use of the word. “This measure of proof can be
established”-people think, you know, sometimes it is said
circumstantial evidence is not as good as direct; listen to
what this authority says: “This measure of proof can be
established as well through circumstantial as direct evidence.”
Why shouldn’t it? A number of facts proven by
a number of people, which your common sense leads you to
believe and see and know points to a conclusion that is consistent
with an hypothesis and inconsistent with another
hypothesis is just as much better than the direct, as evidence,
and in the same proportion that the number of witnesses
and incidents by whom those particular circumstances
are established are better than the view of the witnesses who
saw the particular thing. It is a popular fallacy that has no
place in the court house-and I’m coming to his Durant case
in a minute. “This measure of proof can be established as
well,” says this eminent lawyer and authority, accepted in
all courts, and who wrote not in a spirit of prejudice and
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and here in this case We have both circumstantial evidence
and admissions.
Circumstantial Evidence Often Convicts.
Thus, if the circumstantial evidence satisfies the mind,
then it is equal to positive evidence. That’s all there is in
the case. The question is whether they satisfy your mind
on it. “Hence, with reasonable doubt as the measure of sufficient
proof, limited by the qualification that the conclusion
must not only be consistent with the guilt of the accused but
inconsistent with any other reasonable conclusion, then the
law, which is supposed to be the embodiment of wisdom, has
safeguarded life and liberty to the highest degree that can
be devised by human intelligence.” This thing of the doctrine
of reasonable doubt originated way back yonder, anyway,
at a time when a man accused of crime wasn’t allowed
counsel. Whenever we come up fully abreast of the times
in modern sciences, it’s going to drop out of our law, too. The
State has got all kinds of burdens and all kinds of difficulties
in establishing a man’s guilt. There never was a case that
illustrated it better than this.
Now, as I said before, gentlemen, and as Wharton says, you
are not at liberty to disbelieve as jurors if you believe as
men. Now, let’s get that in mind, let’s take that logic,-
don’t you think that this thing of trying a man on circumstantial
evidence is something that is so subtle and fine that
your mind can’t get hold of it.-that it’s something so mysterious
that you can’t get hold of it; it’s a common sense
proposition, and when your mind takes hold of a thing as a
man, then you have got it as a juror. Now, Judge Hopkins
says, in the 42nd Ga., 406, “For a jury to acquit, turn a man
loose, upon light, trivial, fanciful suppositions and remote
conjectures it is a virtual disregard of the juror’s oath.” Oh,
I know you can get up any kind of an excuse, anybody can.
But when you do that, gentlemen of the jury, it must be outside
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light, trivial, fanciful suppositions and remote conjectures,
because that’s a disregard of your oath-of course, you
won’t disregard your oath.
Moral Certainty Is All That’s Needed.
In the 92nd Ga., they speak of it thus: “It does not mean
a vague, conjectural doubt, a doubt conjured up in the minds
of the jury, it means a doubt that grows out of the evidence
in the case, or the want of evidence”-remember that proposition
when you get into your jury room. It means what?
It means such a doubt as a juror would hesitate to act on in
the most important business affairs of his own, in the ordinary
walks of life. Now, it is said, gentlemen, in this book
on Evidence,-Reynolds,-”absolute certainty is never attainable.”
You can’t get it outside of mathematics, but you
can get the moral certainty. That’s what you are after.
Circumstantial Evidence Sometimes Best.
Now, we pass from the reasonable doubt proposition, and
touch briefly on this circumstantial evidence. A great many
people, over-conscientious and a little bit too refined for practical
matters, sometimes want to set themselves up on a pinnacle
and say they won’t convict on circumstantial evidence.
That’s the merest bosh. The authorities say that it is the
best evidence. People are getting better in that respect
everywhere, they are coming to that realization. But even
now, the best of juries are sometimes reluctant, for some
reason or other, to convict, even though the evidence
is as plain as it can be. Now, here’s what is said by
one of our most eminent Judges in the 26th Georgia: “Juries
are generally too reluctant to convict on circumstantial evidence.
While it is true that a man ought not to be punished
for an offense of which he is guiltless, the jury ought not to
pronounce the accused innocent, for the want of positive
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which point to his guilt and which are irreconcilable with
the hypothesis of his innocence, or which require explanation
from him and may be explained by him, if he be innocent,
but which are not so explained, ought to satisfy the
conscience of every juror and justify him before that forum
for rendering a verdict according to their almost unerring
intellect. Any other rule will expose society to the ravages
of the most depraved men. “The most atrocious crimes”-
gentlemen, listen at this—”The most atrocious crimes are
contrived in secrecy, and are perpetrated generally under
circumstances which preclude the adduction of positive
proof of the guilt of the person who committed them. But
it must be remembered that, while this is true, circumstances
which would authorize a bare conjecture of guilt are
not sufficient to warrant conviction, but where they point
to facts that are consistent with guilt and inconsistent with
every other hypothesis, they are the best evidence.”
The Durant Case.
Now, gentlemen, Mr. Arnold spoke to you about that Durant
case. That case is a celebrated case. It was said that
that was the greatest crime of the century. I don’t
know where Mr. Arnold got his authority for the statement
that he made with reference to that case; I would like to
know it.
Mr. Arnold: I got it out of the public prints, at the
time, Mr. Dorsey, published all over the country,-I
read it in the newspapers, that’s where I got it.
On April 15, 1913, Mr. C. M. Pickett, the District Attorney
of the City of San Francisco, wrote a letter-
Effort to Bar Telegram.
Mr. Arnold: I want to object to any communication
between Mr. Pickett and Mr. Dorsey,-it’s just a personal
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 9 1914
other person there and get information satisfactory to
me, no doubt, just as Mr. Dorsey has done, and I object
to his reading any letters or communications from anybody
out there.
Mr. Dorsey: This is a matter of public notoriety.
Here’s his reply to a telegram I sent him, and in view
of his statement, I have got a right to read it to this
jury.
Mr. Arnold: You can argue a matter of public notoriety,
you can argue a matter that appears in the public
prints,-my friend can, but as to his writing particular
letters to particular men, why, that’s introducing
evidence, and I must object to it; he has got a right to
state simply his recollection of the occurrence, or his
general information on the subject, but he can’t read
any letters or telegrams from any particular people on
the subject.
Mr. Dorsey: Mr. Arnold brought this in, and I telegraphed
to San Francisco, and I want to read this telegram
to the jury; now, can’t I do it?
Mr. Arnold: If the Court please, I want to object to
any particular letter or telegram,-I can telegraph and
get my information as well as he can. I don’t know
whether the information is true, I don’t know who he
telegraphed about it; I have got a right to argue a matter
that appears in the public prints, and that’s all I
argued,-what appears in the papers,-it may be right
or wrong, but if my friend has a friend he knows there
and writes and gets some information, that’s introducing
evidence and I want to put him on notice that I object
to it. I have got the same right to telegraph there
and get my own information. And, besides, my friend
seems to know about that case pretty well, he’s writing
four months ago. Why did he do it?
Mr. Dorsey: Because I anticipated some such claim
would be made here in this presence.
Mr. Arnold: You anticipated it, then, I presume, oecause
you knew it was published; that’s what I went on.
Mr. Dorsey: I anticipated it, and know the truth
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Mr. Arnold: I object to his reading any communication
unless I have the right to investigate it also: I am
going only on what I read in the public press. April
15th is nearly two weeks before the crime is alleged to
have been committed. I want to record an objection
right now to my friend doing any such thing as that,
reading a telegram from anybody picked out by my
friend Dorsey, to give him the kind of information he
wants for his speech, and I claim the right to communicate
out there myself and get such information as I can,
if he’s given the right to do it.
The Court: I’ll either have to expunge from the
jury what you have told the jury, in your argument,
or-
Mr. Arnold: I don’t want it expunged, I stand on it.
The Court: I have either got to do one of the two-
Mr. Dorsey: No sir, can’t I state to this jury what
I knew about it, as well as he can state what he knows?
Mr. Arnold: Certainly he can, as a matter of public
notoriety, but not as a matter of individual information
or opinion.
Court Rules for Defense.
The Court: You can state, Mr. Dorsey, to the jury,
your information about the Durant case, just like he
did, but you can’t read anything,–don’t introduce any
evidence.
Mr. Dorsey: My information is that nobody has ever confessed
to the murder of Blanche Lamont and Minnie Williams.
But, gentlemen of the jury, as I’ll show you by reading
this book, it was proved at the trial and there can be no
question about the fact, Theodore Durant was guilty, the
body of one of these girls having been found in the belfry of
the church in question; and the other in the basement. Here’s
the book containing an account of that case, reported in the
48th Pacific Reporter, and this shows, gentlemen of the jury,
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 11 1914
in the belfry of Emanuel Church in San Francisco after she
had been missing for two weeks. It shows that Durant was
a medical student of high standing and a prominent member
of the church, with superb character,-a better character
than is shown by this man, Leo M. Frank, because not a soul
came in to say that he didn’t enjoy the confidence and respect
of every member of that large congregation and all the
medical students with whom he associated.
Three Years to Hang Durant.
Another thing, this book shows that the crime was committed
in 1895, and this man Durant never mounted the
gallows until 1898, and the facts are that his mother took
the remains of her son and cremated them because she didn’t
want them to fall into the hands of the medical authorities,
as they would have done in the State of California had she
not made the demand and received the body. Hence, that’s
all poppy-cock he was telling you about. There never was a
guiltier man, there never was a man of higher character,
than Theodore Durant, and there never was a more courageous
jury or better satisfied community than the jury
that tried him and the people of San Francisco, where he
lived and committed his crime and died.
In this case, now, I’ll read you, “The contention of the
appellant next to be considered is that the evidence is insufficient
to justify the verdict, and that the verdict is contrary
to the evidence in this, that the evidence fails to show how,
when or where Blanche Lamont was murdered, or that the
defendant in any way was instrumental in causing her death.
On April 15th the defendant was arrested. On April 3,
1895, Blanche Lamont was living with her aunt, Mrs. Noble,
in the City and County of San Francisco. She was in person
rather tall and slight, and weighed about 130 pounds.
Her age was 21 years. She was a school girl attending the
High School and Normal School, and upon the morning of
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1897, and he wasn’t hung until 1898–”she was a school girl
attending the High School and the Normal School, and upon
the morning of April 3, 1895, left her home with her strap
of books to join her classes. She met defendant while on the
way (such is his testimony), and he accompanied her for a
part of the journey. She was at school during the day’s session,
and at its close, about 3:00 P. M., left with the other
pupils. She did not return home, and never after that day
was seen alive. Shortly after 9:00 o’clock, upon the morning
of April 14th, two police officers and the janitor attempted
to open the door leading to the belfry of Emanuel Baptist
Church. They were prosecuting a search for Blanche Lamont.
The knob of the door was gone and the lock mutilated, so
that the janitor’s key couldn’t open it. They forced the door,
and one of the officers, ascending the stairs, found the body
of a girl lying on the top landing, in the southeastern corner
of the belfry. It was that of Blanche Lamont.”
Lust Murderers.
There are lust murderers,–there are people that are in the
height of exultation and their passion is gratified by choking
people to death with hands and cords, things like that,-
plenty of instances of it,-this man stripping this girl absolutely
naked- “The body was naked, lying upon its face,
the feet close together, her hands folded upon the breast, the
head inclined a little to the left. There were two small
blocks, apparently employed to hold the head in an upright
position. Decomposition was well advanced, and by medical
testimony, life had been extinct for about two weeks. An
examination and autopsy of the corpse revealed seven finger
nail incisions upon the left side of the throat, and five upon
the right, a depression of the larynx and a congestion of the
trachea, larynx, lungs and brain. Strangulation was the
cause of death. A search brought to light the clothing and
apparel of the girl, hidden in and about the rough woodwork
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“Upon April 15, the defendant was arrested and charged
with this murder. At that time, Durant was a young man,
24 years of age, a student of the Cooper Medical College of
San Francisco, and a member of the Signal Corps of the National
Guard of the State. He was interested in religious
work”-and, of course, that embraces charity work-”was
an attendant, if not a member of Emmanuel Baptist Church,
was a member of the Christian Endeavor Society, was Assistant
Superintendent of the Sunday School, and was librarian
of the church library. As is abundantly testified to, he
bore the esteem of his fellows as a zealous, earnest and upright
young man, of commendable character and of sincere
Christian life. When arrested, he was upon service of the
Signal Corps, to which he was attached. Upon the trial, his
defense was an alibi,”-the last resort of the guilty man-
“He declared that he had seen Blanche Lamont in the morning
of April 3rd, when she was on her way to school but
never again thereafter, that he himself had gone to his medical
college and there had attended a lecture at the time when,
under the contention of the prosecution, the girl had been
by him murdered in the church.
Durant a Church Worker.
“By the prosecution it was shown that Blanche Lamont
was a regular attendant of the Emmanuel Church, and belonged
to the Society of Christian Endeavor, of which Durant
was also a member. The two were well acquainted; indeed,
they seemed to have stood in their intercourse upon
terms of cordial and trusted friendship. They met at religious
and social gatherings, to and from which Durant frequently
escorted the girl in company with her sister and
others of their social circle. Durant had a key to the side
door of the church, and was thoroughly familiar with the
building and premises.
“Mrs. Mary Vogel lived across the street from the school
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 14 1914
after two o’clock on the afternoon of April 3, in front of the
schoolhouse, walking up and down, apparently in waiting.
When school closed, she noticed two girls coming out together.
One of them carried books in a strap. They walked
to the corner of the street, where they stopped for a car. The
defendant joined them as they were about to board it. One
of the girls went inside, the other sat outside upon the
dummy. The defendant joined this girl and seated himself
beside her; Minnie Edwards testified that it was she who
accompanied Blanche Lamont from school that afternoon.
They were joined by Durant at the corner. Blanche Lamont
and he sat together outside, while she found a seat within
the car. Blanche Lamont had her school books with her.
Mrs. Alice Dogan, at the time of these occurrences, was a
pupil at the same school. Upon that afternoon, she, too, saw
Blanche Lamont upon the dummy in company with the defendant.
May Lanigan, another of the school girls, also saw
the two upon the dummy. This was from five to ten minutes
after three o’clock. Mrs. Elizabeth Crossett had known the
defendant for about four years. Between half-past three
and four o’clock of this afternoon, while she was upon a
Valencia street car traveling towards 25th street, she saw
defendant. He was seated upon the dummy of her car in
company with a young lady whom she did not know but
whose description answered to that of the murdered girl.
The two were in conversation and left the car at 21st or 22d
Street, and walked in the direction of Bartlett Street. The Emmanuel
Baptist Church is situated upon Bartlett Street, between
22nd and 23rd streets. Martin Quinland, between ten
and twenty minutes after four o’clock of this afternoon, saw
the defendant and a young lady whose description corresponded
to that of the girl, and who carried a loose package
in her hand by a string or strap, walking along Bartlett
Street, from Twenty-second Street and towirds Twentythird
Street. They were upon the same side of the street
as the church and were walking towards it. Mrs. Caroline
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 15 1914
church. She had been an attendant there at divine service
for many years; she had known defendant for the past three
or four years; she. also knew Blanche Lamont. Between
four and half-past four of this afternoon, she saw Durant
and a young lady pass through the gate into the church yard
and on towards the side door. His companion she could not
identify positively, but from her appearance, thought at the
time that it was Blanche Lamont or another young lady of
similar size and height. This young lady testified she was
not with defendant at any time upon that day, and no pretense
is made that she was. George King was a member of
the church and its organist. He knew defendant, and the
two were very friendly. At five o’clock on this afternoon, he
entered the church by the front door, letting himself in with
his key. He noticed a strong smell of gas, and went forthwith
into the library to see if it was escaping there. He
failed to find the leak. Thence, closing the library door, he
proceeded directly to the Sunday School room, and sitting
at the piano, began to play. He played for two or three minutes,
when defendant, Durant, came through the folding
doors to the rear, and stood looking at him. ‘I asked him
what was the matter, because of his pale condition. He had
his coat off and his hat off’-no scratches, no blood. ‘His
hair was somewhat disheveled. He came through and then
told me that he had been fixing the gas above the auditorium’
-not a financial sheet-and had been overcome by it to
such a degree that he could hardly descend the ladder.”
Similarity of Durant and Frank Cases.
On account of the inclemency of the weather this man
(Frank) gave up the ball game. “He seemed ill”-this man
seemed nervous. “He handed me a fifty-cents piece and asked
me to go and get some bromo seltzer”-this man wanted
coffee and breakfast. “Witness procured the seltzer, and
upon his return found the defendant either standing in the
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 16 1914
room.” This man was found running out to meet Newt Lee,
washing his hands and nervous. “He thinks, however, that
defendant was lying down. Defendant took a dose of the
seltzer, which seemed to nauseate him somewhat. The two
sat and talked together for a few minutes, then went
upstairs to the choir loft and carried down a small organ.
Defendant appeared weak and had to stop two or three
times to rest”-this man trembled in Darley’s lap, couldn’t
nail the back door up, couldn’t run the elevator, he could open
the safe because he had done that often, he talked to the people
at home-if he did talk to them-without manifestations
of nervousness, if what they say be true, but when confronted
with the officers of the law his voice, his eye, his every demeanor
showed guilt.
Durant’s Actions After Crime.
“Defendant appeared weak and had to stop two or three
times to rest”–you’ll always find it that way: “Then they
went to the library door, which Durant unlocked, and entering,
put on his hat and coat, which were lying on a box in
the corner. Witness had not seen the hat or coat when he
went into the library the first time that afternoon. They
then left the church and walking some distance together,
separated and went to their respective homes. It was then
about six o’clock.
“Upon the morning of April 13th, ten days after the disappearance
of Blanche Lamont and one day before the discovery
of the body, her aunt, Mrs. Noble, received through
the mail a package which contained all of the rings worn by
her when she left her home. The rings were enclosed in a
copy of a daily newspaper, The Examiner, and upon the paper
written the names of George King and Professor Shurenstein.
King was a common friend of Durant and Blanche Lamont.
Professor Shurenstein was her music teacher. The
paper and wrapper were exhibited to the jury, together with
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between the 4th and 10th of April, Adolph Oppenheimer, a
pawnbroker, was offered for sale a gold ring containing a
diamond chip. The ring was identified as one worn by
Blanche Lamont at the time of her disappearance and subsequently
returned to her aunt through the mail. The person
offering the ring for sale was the defendant.”
No doubt, Mr. Arnold-of course, he wouldn’t mislead you,
I know that he’s an honorable man and wouldn’t think of
such a thing, but I’m just putting the record up to you.
“The person offering the ring for sale was the defendant.
William Phillips testified that upon a day in the first part of
April, he saw defendant standing in front of Oppenheimer’s
place, between ten and eleven o’clock in the morning. Doctor
G. F. Graham was a student and classmate of Durant at the
Cooper Medical College. From 3:30 to 4:15 of April 3rd,
Doctor Cheney, of that college, delivered a lecture to his class
upon the sterilization of milk. Doctor Graham attended that
lecture and took notes of it. The defendant, in support of his
alibi, claimed to have attended the lecture”-they put up any
kind of claims when they are backed right up in the corner
and have got to do it, and he might have known, this fellow
Durant might have known they would catch him out on that
proposition; this man here, I’ll show you, was caught out in
the same way. “Defendant, in support of his alibi, claimed to
have attended the lecture and likewise to have taken original
notes, which were admitted in evidence. Doctor Graham testified
that after Durant’s arrest and before the trial, he visited
him with a friend. Durant requested his companion to
withdraw, that he might talk to Doctor Graham alone. When
he had done so, defendant informed Doctor Graham that he
had no notes of the lecture, and requested the Doctor to lend
him his, saying that if he could get them he could establish
an alibi.”
Going to his friend, just like this man here went to his
friends. Now, let’s see if Graham responded like this defendant’s
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Framing Up His -Alibi.
“Defendant told him that he could take the notes to
Durant’s house, get his book and put them in it and that the
book could be brought to him in jail, or that the witness could
commit his notes to memory, come to the jail and repeat
them to him. This summarization of the evidence is not
designed to be exhaustive. Much that is cumulative upon
the part of the people is omitted. No analysis is made of
the alibi of the defense, nor of the claims of the prosecution
that, whei not completely demolished, it stands upon the unsupported
word of the defendant. Enough has been set forth
to show that the verdict and judgment find support from legal
and sufficient evidence, and when that point is reached,
the inquiry of this Court comes to an end, saving in those
exceptional cases, of which this is not one, where the evidence
against the defendant is so slight as to make clear the
inference that the verdict must have been rendered under
the influence of passion or prejudice.
By this evidence, the defendant and Blanche Lamont (she
with her strap of books) entered Emmanuel Church at about
half past four o’clock in the afternoon of April 3rd. At five
o’clock defendant was seen there and explains his distressed
condition as caused by the inhalation of gas. At six o’clock
he leaves the church. Blanche Lamont was never again seen
alive. Two weeks after, her nude and decomposed body is
found in the church. She had been strangled and her corpse
dragged to the belfry.”
Motive in Moving Body.
He was the librarian, he didn’t want to leave it there in the
library, he wanted it in the belfry. This man wanted it off
the second floor. Tell me, if you will, men of common sense
and reason, tell me where was any motive in this man to
have moved Blanche Lamont from the library, he being librarian,
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moving that body from his office floor down into the basement?
“Two weeks after, her nude and decomposed body is found
in the church. She had been strangled and her corpse dragged
to the belfry.” “The’ clothes she wore on leaving home
are secreted about the floors and rafters. Her books are
found still tightly strapped. These facts, with the others set
forth, are sufficient to justify the hypothesis of defendant’s
guilt and to exclude every other reasonable hypothesis than
that of his guilt. Such evidence is clearly sufficient to warrant
and uphold the determination that the girl was strangled
to death at the hands of the defendant upon the afternoon
of April 3rd. The evidence of the defendant’s previous
good character, so fully established, was a circumstance
making strongly in his favor. We are asked to say that the
jury disregarded it in reaching their verdict, but this we cannot
do. They were fully and fairly instructed upon the matter,
and it must be presumed that the instructions were regarded.”
That, gentlemen of the jury, is the case that Mr. Arnold
says the jury went wrong in convicting. They didn’t. The
judge that tried it approved the verdict; the high court approved
the verdict; the community and the civilized world,
notwithstanding he was a professed Christian and member
of the church and societies,-and it isn’t true that any man
ever confessed it, because the dastardly deed was done by
Theodore Durant.
Now, let me read you a little ibit about this thing of good
character-before I get down to the discussion of the State’s
case I want to clear out the underbrush, and let you understand
the legal principles, because His Honor has got to
charge you, and I’m not going to mislead you either. I’m
just going to do my plain duty here, and expect you to
do yours, that’s all anybody wants-if you think this man
is innocent, why, you turn him loose, that’s what you do; if
you think he’s guilty, you put a cord around his neck-have
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Frank Put Character in Issue.
Now, let’s examine this good character a little. I grant
you, good character spells a whole lot; but first, ah, first, let’s
establish good character. It is presumed-had he not put
his character in issue, it would have been presumed-and
the State would have been absolutely helpless-that this man
was as good a man as lived in the City of Atlanta. It’s a
mighty easy thing, if a man is worth anything, if a man
attains to any degree of respectability, it’s a mighty easy
thing to get some one to sustain his character; but it’s the
hardest thing known to a lawyer to get people to impeach the
character of another. In the Durant case his character was
unimpeached. The defendant here put his character in issue
and we accepted the challenge, and we met it, I submit to
you. Now, if we concede that this defendant in this case was
a man of good character–a thing we don’t concede-still,
under your oath and under the law that His Honor will give
you in charge, as is laid down in the 88th Georgia, page 92,
sub-head 11, “Proof of good character will not hinder conviction,
if the guilt of the defendant is plainly proved to the
satisfaction of the jury.”
Vain Effort to Prove Character.
First, you have got to have the good character, before it
weighs a feather in the balance, and remember, that the
hardest burden, so far as proof is concerned, that ever rests
on anybody, is to break down the character of a man who
really has character; and I ask you if this defendant stands
before you a man of good character? Mr. Arnold, along with
all this other dramatic performance of his-I don’t know who
he was threatening, the Judge or you or me or all of us-”I
move for a mistrial”-all that kind of business, all along
through the case here-stood up and did that, I suppose,
maybe, I don’t know, it may be an attribute of a great lawyer;
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have to stand up and say, contrary to law and contrary to
good principles and morals, before the witnesses are put on
the stand, that they are “liars or crack-brain fanatics,” and
he wouldn’t have done that either if he hadn’t realized the
force of the evidence banked up here against the man that,
on the 26th day of April, snuffed out the life of little Mary
Phagan. But in his desperation he stood up in this presence
and called nineteen or twenty of these reputable, high-toned
girls, though they be working girls, “crack-brain fanatics
and liars,” and they have hurled that word around here a
good deal, too, they have hurled that word around here a
good deal. If that’s an attribute of great men and great
lawyers, I here and now proclaim to you I have no aspirations
to attain them. Not once will I say that anybody has
lied, but I’ll put it up to you as twelve honest, conscientious
men by your verdict to say where the truth lies and who has
lied. I’m going to be satisfied with your verdict, too-I know
this case and I know the conscience that abides in the breast
of honest, courageous men.
Now, the book says that if a man has good character, nevertheless
it will not hinder conviction, if the guilt of the defendant
is plainly proved to the satisfaction of the juryas
it was in the Durant case, and I submit that, character
or no character, this evidence demands a conviction. And
I’m not asking you for it either because of prejudice-I’m
coming to the perjury after a bit. Have I so forgotten myself
that I would ask you to convict that man if the evidence
demanded that Jim Conley’s neck be broken?
Letters to Grand Jury.
I want to talk a little bit about those letters to the Grand
Jury, too-the conscientious opinion of our friend Billie Owens,
the man that went over here with Brent-a man that
used to work for the Stevens Lumber Company-Fleming,
Flemirig, the man that also wrote a note to the Grand Jury,
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 22 1914
Mr. Rosser: There’s no evidence of that, Mr. Dorsey,
at all.
Mr. Dorsey: Doctor Owens says a man by the name
of Fleming went there-
Mr. Rosser: I know, but there’s no evidence that he
wrote such a note, he stated that he didn’t know him
and that he didn’t know his handwriting.
Mr. Dorsey: That’s true, but he said that the name
was the same.
Mr. Rosser: Yes, but he can’t tell about that, he said
plainly that he didn’t know his handwriting.
Mr. Dorsey: Well, I don’t care about that, that’s not
important, anyway-
The Court: I understand Mr. Dorsey says he don’t
insist on it if there isn’t any evidence of it.
A man by the name of Fleming went over there in the
basement and pulled off that little farce with Owens-I guess
I can say that-and Owens is the man whose conscience moved
him to try to dictate to the Grand Jury, and Owens is the
man whose counsel sits there. All right; now Mr. Arnold
said yesterday, and I noticed it, though it wasn’t in evidence,
that Jim Conley wasn’t indicted. No, he will never be, for
this crime, because there is no evidence-he’s an accessory
after the fact, according to his own admission, and he’s guilty
of that and nothing more. And Billie Owens may feel his
conscientious pangs, sitting up yonder in his office, building
houses and squirting something into people’s noses and
mouths, but the man that acts as a juror will never
so far forget himself as to put a rope around that negro’s
neck for a crime that he didn’t commit. And I’m here to tell
you that, unless there’s some other evidence besides that
which has been shown here or heretofore, you’ve got to get
you another Solicitor General before I’ll ask any jury to hang
him, lousy negro though he may be; and if that be treason,
make the most of it. I have got my own conscience to keep,
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 23 1914
strumental in putting a rope around the neck of Jim Conley
for a crime that Leo M. Frank committed. You’ll do it, too.
Of course, if the guilt of the accused is plainly proved to the
satisfaction of the jury, it is their duty to convict, notwithstanding
good character. Is that right? Of course, it is.
But you haven’t got good character in this case even as a
starting point upon which to predicate that proposition.
Defense’s Right to Cross-examine.
Let’s get on a little bit. Mark you, I want you to bear in
mind, now, we haven’t touched the body of this case, we have
been just clearing up the underbrush-we’ll get to the big
timber after awhile. “Where character is put in issue”-and
the State can’t do it, it rests with him-”Where character is
put in issue, the direct examination must relate to the general
reputation, good or bad ;” that is, whoever puts character in
issue, can ask the question with reference to the general reputation,
good or bad, as the case may be, “but on cross examination
particular transactions or statements of single individuals
may be brought into the inquiry in testing the extent
and foundation of the witnesses’ knowledge, and the correctness
of his testimony on direct examination.”
We did exercise that right in the examination of one witness,
but knowing that we couldn’t put specific instances in
unless they drew it out, I didn’t want even to do this man the
injustice, so we suspended, and we put it before this jury in
this kind of position-you put his character in, we put up
witnesses to disprove it, you could cross examine every one
of them and ask them what they knew and what they had
heard and what they had seen; we had already given them
enough instances, but they didn’t dare, they didn’t dare to
do it. Mark you, now, here’s the law:
Why Didn’t They Cross-examine?
“Where character is put in issue, the direct examination
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 24 1914
ther, but on cross examination, when we put up these little
girls, sweet and tender, ah, but “particular instances or
statements of single individuals, you could have brought into
the inquiry,” but you dared not do it. You tell me that the
testimony of these good people living out on Washington
Street, the good people connected with the Hebrew Orphans’
Home, Doctor Marx, Doctor Sonn, you tell me that they know
the character of Leo M. Frank as these girls do, who have
worked there but are not now under the infiuence of the Nation
Pencil Company and its employees? Do you tell me
that if you are accused of a crime, or I am accused of a crime,
and your character or my character is put in issue, that if I
were mean enough to do it, or if Messrs. Starnes and Campbell
were corrupt enough to do it, that you could get others
who would do your bidding? I tell you, in principle and common
sense, it is a dastardly suggestion. You know it, and I
know you know it, and you listen to your conscience and it
will tell you you know it, and you have got no doubt about it.
The trouble about this business is. throughout the length and
breadth of our land, there’s too much shehanigane and too
little honest, plain dealings; let’s be fair, let’s be honest, let’s
be courageous! Tell me that old Pat Campbell or John
Starnes or Mr. Rosser-in whose veins, he says, there flows
the same blood as flows in the attorney’s veins-that they
could go and get nineteen or twenty of them, through prejudice
and passion to come up here and swear that that man’s
character is bad and it not be true? I tell you it can’t be
done, and you know it.
His Friends Didn’t Know Him.
Ah, but, on the other hand, Doctor Marx, Doctor Sonn, all
these other people, as Mr. Hooper said, who run with Doctor
Jekyll, don’t know the character of Mr. Hyde. And he didn’t
call Doctor Marx down to the factory on Saturday evenings
to show what he was going to do with those girls, but the
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it, I’m going to have a good bit more to say-but if old Jim
Conley didn’t get every bird in the covey when he shot in
amongst them, my Lord, didn’t he nevertheless shoot right
in among them? He flushed Daisy-let Dalton be as bad as
you say he is, nevertheless, it’s strange, Jim, in poking in
that hole, rousted out Daisy and Dalton, and also said that
Frank was there; and by the undisputed evidence of a reputable
man who saw Dalton go in there, it is certainly shown
that Dalton was there. “Where the defendant put his character
in issue, it is allowable on cross examination to ask a
witness called to establish good character, if the witness on
a certain occasion came upon the scene immediately after the
defendant, and made a serious attack with a weapon upon the
defendant,” etc.
“Now, gentlemen, put yourself in this man’s place. If you
are a man of good character, and twenty people come in here
and state that you are of bad character, your counsel have
got the right to ask them who they ever heard talking about
you and what they ever heard said and what they ever saw.
Is it possible, I’ll ask you in the name of common sense, that
you would permit your counsel to sit mute? You wouldn’t
do it, would you? If a man says that I am a person of bad
character, I want to know, curiosity makes me want to know,
and if it’s proclaimed, published to the world and it’s a lie, I
want to nail the lie-to show that he never saw it, and never
heard it and knows nothing about it. And yet, three able
counsel and an innocent man, and twenty or more girls all of
whom had worked in the factory but none of whom work
there at this time, except one on the fourth floor, tell you
that that man had a bad character, and had a bad character
for lasciviousness,-the uncontrolled and uncontrollable passion
that led him on to kill poor Mary Phagan. This book
says it is allowable to cross-examine a witness, to see and
find out what he knows, who told him those things,-and
I’m here to tell you that this thing of itself is pregnant,
pregnant, pregnant with significance, and does not comport
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 26 1914
the names of some. Well, even by their own witnesses, looks
like to me there was a leak, and little Miss Jackson
dropped it out just as easy. Now, what business did this
man have going in up there, peering in on those little girls?
-the head of the factory, the man that wanted flirting forbidden?
What business did he have going up into those
dressing rooms? You tell me to go up there to the girls’ dressing
room, shove open the door and walk in is a part of his
duty, when he has foreladies to stop it? No, indeed. And
old Jim Conley may not have been so far wrong as you may
think. He says that somebody went up there that worked
on the fourth floor, he didn’t know who. This man, according
to the evidence of people that I submit you will believe,
notwithstanding the fact that Mr. Reuben R. Arnold
said it was a lie and called them hair-brained fanatics,-
according to the testimony even of a lady who works there
now and yet is brave enough and courageous enough to come
down here and tell you that that man had been in a room
with a lady that works on the fourth floor; and it may have
been that he was then, when he went in there on this little
Jackson girl and the Mayfield girl and Miss Kitchens, looking
out to see if the way was clear to take her in again,-and
Miss Jackson, their witness, says she heard about his going
in there -three or four times more than she ever saw it, and
they complained to the fore ladies-it may have been right
then and there he went to see some woman on the fourth
floor that old Jim Conley says he saw go up there to meet
him Saturday evening, when all these good people were out
on Washington Street and Montags, and the pencil factory
employees, even, didn’t know of the occurrence of these
things.
Little Jackson Girl’s Evidence.
Now, that’s the way you’ve got it. Of course, a juror, you
know, if he just wants to do a thing, you know, it’s his conscience,
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 27 1914
are just exactly like you said you were,-impartial, not prejudiced.
What do you think about it, in the room,-oh, me,
in the room with Miss Carson-they wouldn’t let me ask
how long he stayed in there, I couldn’t ask that-I didn’t
quite understand the principle upon which that went out,
but whatever the Judge says must be the law; but he went
in there with her, and he came out with her, and surely,
surely, he wasn’t in there then to stop flirting! That came
out from their own witness, the little Jackson girl, and I
suppose she must be classed, under Mr. Arnold’s way of
looking at it, as a crack-brained fanatic telling a bald-faced
lie. Miss Mayfield, who works there, denied it; Miss Kitchens,
one of the ladies who works on the fourth floor-Lord
me, how ofeii did Mr. Arnold say he was going to ask this
question of every lady,-with that handsome face of his,
and that captivating manner-”We are going to ask this
question of every lady who works on the fourth floor”-and
lo and behold up comes Miss Kitchens and she herself named
another-possibly others-that hadn’t been put up by them,
and you don’t know today, right now, except from the fact
that Mr. Arnold said it, whether you have seen every woman
that worked on the fourth floor or not, and if he wasn’t any
more accurate about that than he was about this Durant
case, there’s no telling how many people on the fourth floor
haven’t been brought up here.
(At this point the Court took a recess until tomorrow,
Saturday, August 23, 1913, at 9:00 o’clock, A. M.)
Saturday, August 23, 1913, 9 o’clock, A. M.
May it please Your Honor and Gentlemen of the Jury:
Frank’s Bad Character Proven.
I was just about concluding, yesterday, what I had to say
in reference to the matter of character, and I think that I
demonstrated by the law, to any fair-minded man, that this

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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 28 1914
defendant has not a good character. The conduct of counsel
in this case, as I stated, in failing to cross-examine, in refusing
to cross-examine these twenty young ladies, refutes
effectively and absolutely the claims of this defendant that
he has good character. As I said, if this man had had a good
character, no power on earth could have kept him and his
counsel from asking those girls where they got their information,
and why it was they said that this defendant was a
man of bad character. Now, that’s a common sense proposition,-
you’d know it whether it was in a book or not. I
have already shown you that under the law, they had the
right to go into that character, and you saw that on crossexamination
they dared not do it. Now let’s see what
the law says on that proposition-if I can find it, and I have
it here,-an authority that puts it right squarely,-that
whenever any man has evidence-decided in 83rd Ga., 581-
“whenever anybody has evidence in their possession, and
they fail to produce it, the strongest presumption arises that
it would be hurtful if they had, and their failure to produce
evidence is a circumstance against them.”
Defense Dared Not Cross-examine.
You don’t need any law book to make you know that that’s
true, because your common sense tells you that whenever a
man can bring evidence, and you know that he has got it
and don’t do it, the strongest presumption arises against
him. And you know, as twelve honest men seeking to get
at the truth, that the reason these able counsel didn’t ask
those “hair-brained fanatics,” as AD. Arnold called them, before
they had ever gone on the stand,-girls whose appearance
is as good as any they brought, girls that you know by
their manner on the stand spoke the truth, girls who are
unimpeached and unimpeachable, was because they dared not
do it. You know it; if it had never been put in a law book
you’d know it. And then you tell me that because these good
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 29 1914
that they never heard anything, that he’s a man of good
character? Many a man has gone through life and even his
wife and his best friends never knew his character; and
some one has said that it takes the valet to really know the
character of a man. And I had rather believe that these
poor, unprotected working girls, who have no interest in this
case and are not under the influence of the pencil company
or Montag or anybody else, know that man, as many a man
has been heretofore, is of bad character than to believe the
Rabbi of his church and the members of the Hebrew Orphans
Home.
Sometimes, you know, a man of bad character uses charitable
and religious organizations to cover up the defects, and
sometimes a consciousness in the heart of a man will make
him over-active in some other line, in order to cover up and
mislead the public generally. Many a man has been a wolf
in sheep’s clothing; many a man has walked in high society
and appeared on the outside as a whited sepulcher, who was
as rotten on the inside as it was possible to be.
Reputation Versus Character.
So he has got no good character, I submit, never had it;
he has got a reputation,-that’s what people say’and think
about you,-and he has got a reputation for good conduct
only among those people that don’t know his character. But
suppose that he had a good character; that would amount to
nothing. David of old was a great character until he put old
Uriah in the fore-front of battle in order that he might be
killed,-that Uriah might be killed, and David take his wife.
Judas Iscariot was a good character, and one of the Twelve,
until he took the thirty pieces of silver and betrayed our
Lord Jesus Christ. Benedict Arnold was brave, enjoyed the
confidence of all the people and those in charge of the management
of the Revolutionary War until he betrayed his
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 30 1914
infamy. Oscar Wilde, an Irish Knight, a literary man, brilliant,
the author of works that will go down the ages,-
Lady Windemere’s Fan, De Profundis,-which he wrote
while confined in jail; a man who had the effrontery and the
boldness, when the Marquis of Queensbury saw that there
was something wrong between this intellectual giant and his
son, sought to break up their companionship, he sued the
Marquis for damages, which brought retaliation on the part
of the Marquis for criminal practices on the part of Wilde,
this intellectual giant; and wherever the English language is
read, the effrontery, the boldness, the coolness of this man,
Oscar Wilde, as he stood the cross examination of the ablest
lawyers of England,–an effrontery that is characteristic of
the man of his type,-that examination will remain the subject
matter of study for lawyers and for people who are interested
in the type of pervert like this man. Not even Oscar
Wilde’s wife,-for he was married and had two children,–
suspected that he was guilty of such immoral practices,
and, as I say, it never would have been brought to
light probably, because committed in secret, had not this
man had the effrontery and the boldness and the impudence
himself to start the proceeding which culminated in sending
him to prison for three long years. He’s the man who led
the aesthetic movement; he was a scholar, a literary man,
cool, calm and cultured, and as I say, his cross examination
is a thing to be read with admiration by all lawyers, but he
was convicted, and in his old age, went tottering to the
grave, a confessed pervert.
“Good Character” of Wilde.
Good character? Why, he came to America, after having
launched what is known as the “Aesthetic movement,” in
England, and throughout this country lectured to large audiences,
and it is he who raised the sunflower from a weed
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cal or moral courage, and yet a pervert, but a man of previous
good character.
Reuf Had “Character,” Too.
Abe Reuf, of San Francisco,-a man of his race and religion,-
was the boss of the town, respected and honored, but
he corrupted Schmitt, and he corrupted everything that he
put his hands on, and just as a life of immorality, a life of
sin, a life in which he fooled the good people when debauching
the poor girls with whom he came in contact has brought
this man before this jury, so did eventually Reuf’s career
terminate in the penitentiary.
I have already referred to Durant. Good character isn’t
worth a cent when you have got the case before you. And
crime don’t go only with the ignorant and the poor. The
ignorant, like Jim Conley, as an illustration, commit the
small crime, and he doesn’t know anything about some of this
higher type of crimes; but a man of high intellect and wonderful
endowments, which, if directed in the right line, bring
honor and glory, if those same faculties and talents are perverted
and not controlled, as was the case with this man,
they will carry him down.
Mayor McCue’s “Character.”
Look at McCue, the Mayor of Charlottesville; a man of
such reputation that the people elevated him to the head of
that municipality, but notwithstanding that good reputation,
he didn’t have rock bed character, and, becoming tired of his
wife, he shot her in the bath tub, and the jury of gallant and
noble and courageous Virginia gentlemen, notwithstanding
his good character, sent him to a felon’s grave.

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The Preacher Richeson.
Richeson, of Boston was a preacher, who enjoyed the confidence
of his flock. He was engaged to one of the wealthiest
and most fascinating women in Boston, but an entanglement
with a poor little girl, of whom he wished to rid himself,
caused this man Richeson to so far forget his character and
reputation and his career as to put her to death: And all
these are cases of circumstantial evidence. And after conviction,
after he had fought, he at last admitted it, in the
hope that the Governor would at least save his life, but he
didn’t do it, and the Massachusetts jury and the Massachusetts
Governor were courageous enough to let that man who
had taken that poor girl’s life to save his reputation as the
pastor of his flock, go, and it is an illustration that will encourage
and stimulate every right-thinking man to do his
duty.
The Beattie Case.
Then, there’s Beattie. Henry Clay Beattie, of Richmond,
of splendid family, a wealthy family, proved good character,
though he didn’t possess it, took his wife, the mother of a
twelve-months old baby, out automobiling, and shot her; yet
that man, looking at the blood in the automobile, joked!
joked! joked! He was cool and calm, but he joked too much;
and although the detectives were abused and maligned, and
slush funds to save him from the gallows were used, in his
defense, a courageous jury, an honest jury, a Virginia jury
measured up to the requirements of the hour and sent him to
his death; thus putting old Virginia and her citizenship on a
high plane. And he never did confess, but left a note to be
read after he was dead, saying that he was guilty.
Crippen an Eminent Doctor.
Crippen, of England, a doctor, a man of high standing,
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cause of infatuation for another woman, and put her remains
away where he thought, as this man thought, that it would
never be discovered; but murder will out, and he was discovered
and he was tried, and be it said to the glory of old England,
he was executed.
Gentlemen, you have got an opportunity that comes to few
men; measure up to it. Will you do it? If not, let your
conscience say why not? Tell me as an honest man may,
why not?
But, you say, you’ve got an alibi. Now, let’s examine that
proposition a little bit. An alibi-Section 1018 defines what
an alibi is. “An alibi, as a defense, involves the impossibility”-
mark that-”of the prisoner’s presence at the scene
of the offense at the time of its commission.” “An alibi
involves the impossibility, and the range of evidence must be
such as reasonably to exclude the possibility of guilt”-and
the burden of carrying that alibi is on this defendant. “It
involves the impossibility”-they must show to you that it
was impossible for this man to have been at the scene of that
crime. The burden is on them; an alibi, gentlemen of the
jury, while the very best kind of defense if properly sustained,
is absolutely worthless-I’m going to show you in a
minute that this alibi is worse than no defense at all. I want
to read you a definition that an old darkey gave of an alibi,
which I think illustrates the idea. Rastus asked his companion,
“What’s this here alibi you hear so much talk
about?” And old Sam says, “An alibi is proving that you
was at the prayer meeting, where you wasn’t, to show that
you wasn’t at the crap game, where you was.”
Now, let’s see this table-I just want to turn that around
for half a minute, now, and then I want to turn it to the wall
again and I want it to stay turned to the wall.
Contradiction by Frank.
“One P. M. Frank leaves the factory ;” that’s mighty nice
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let it stay turned to the wall because it isn’t sustained by
the evidence in the case,-it’s ruined by the statement of
this defendant himself, Frank’s statement, made at Police
Headquarters, taken down by G. C. February., on Monday,
April 28th, 1913, and he says, “I didn’t (that morning) lock
the door”-I’m interpolating that-”because the mail was
coming in, I locked it at 1:10, when I went to leave.” Up
goes your alibi, punctured by your own statement, when you
didn’t know the importance of the time element in this case,
and yet, honorable gentlemen, for the purpose of indelibly
impressing this on your mind, get up this beautiful chart and
stick in there that he says he left at one o’clock. If he swore
that he left at one o’clock, when he went on this stand, it
was because here and in this presence,–and you know it,–
he saw the importance of leaving that factory ten minutes
earlier than he ever realized when he made this statement on
April 28th, before his attorney, Mr. Luther Z. Rosser-”I
left at 1:10.”
Admitted Leaving at 1:10.
Now, right here, let me interpolate, this man never made
an admission, from the beginning until the end of this case,
except he knew that some one could fasten it on him,-
wherever he knew that people knew he was in the factory, he
admitted it. All right; but you prove an alibi by that little
Curran girl, do you? She swore that she saw you at Alabama
and Broad at 1:10, and yet here is the paper containing
your admission made in the presence of your attorney,
Monday morning, April 28th, that you didn’t leave the factory
until 1:10.
Gentlemen, talk to me about sad spectacles, but of all the
sad spectacles that I have witnessed throughout this case,-
I don’t know who did it, I don’t know who’s responsible, and
I hope that Il go to my grave in ignorance of who it was
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that works for Montag, into this case, to prove this alibi for
this red-handed murderer, who killed that little girl to protect
his reputation among the people of his own race and religion.
Jurors are sworn, and His Honor will charge you,
you have got the right to take into consideration the deportment,
the manner, the bearing, the reasonableness of what
any witness swears to, and if any man in this courthouse,
any honest man, seeking to get at the truth, looked at that
little girl, her manner, her bearing, her attitude, her actions,
her connections with Montag, and don’t know that she,
like that little Bauer boy, had been riding in Montag’s automobile,
I am at a loss to understand your mental operations.
But if Frank locked the factory door at ten minutes past
one, if that be true, how in the name of goodness did she
ever see him at Alabama and Broad at 1:10? Mark you,
she had never seen him but one time; had never seen him
but one time, and with the people up there on the street, to
see the parade, waiting for her companions, this daughter
of an employee of Montag comes into this presence and tells
you the unreasonable, absurd story, the story that’s in contradiction
to the story made by Frank, which has been introduced
in evidence and will be out with you, that she saw
that fellow up there at Jacobs’.
On this time proposition, I want to read you this-it made
a wonderful impression on me when I read it-it’s the wonderful
speech of a wonderful man, a lawyer to whom even
such men as Messrs. Arnold and Rosser, as good as the
country affords, as good men and as good lawyers as they
are, had they stood in his presence, would have pulled off
their hats in admiration for his intellect and his character,
-I refer to Daniel Webster, and I quote from Webster’s
great speech in the Knapp case:
Webster on Time Evidence.
“Time is identical, its subdivisions are all alike, no man
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by some fact, connected with it. Days and hours are not visible
to the senses, nor to be apprehended and distinguished
by understanding. He who speaks of the date, the minute
and the hour of occurrences with nothing to guide his recollection,
speaks at random.”
That’s put better than I could have put it. That’s put
tersely, concisely, logically, and it’s the truth. Now, what
else about this alibi, this chronological table here, moved up
and down to save a few minutes? The evidence, as old Sig
Montag warned me not to do, twisted, yea, I’ll say contorted,
warped, in order to sustain this man in his claim of an alibi.
For instance, they got it down here “Frank arrived at the
factory, according to Holloway, Alonzo Mann, Roy Irby, at
8:25.” That’s getting it down some, ain’t it? Frank says
he arrived at 8:30. Old Jim Conley, perjured, lousy and
dirty, says that he arrived there at 8:30, and he arrived,
carrying a rain coat. And they tried mightily to make it appear
that Frank didn’t have a rain coat, that he borrowed
one from his brother in law, but Mrs. Ursenback says that
Frank had one; and if the truth were known, I venture the
assertion that the reason Frank borrowed Ursenback’s rain
coat on Sunday was because, after the murder of this girl
on Saturday, he forgot to get the rain coat that old Jim saw
him have. Miss Mattie Smith leaves building, you say, at
9:20 A. M. She said,-or Frank says,-at 9:15. You have
it on this chart here that’s turned to the wall that Frank
telephoned Schiff to come to his office at 10 o’clock, and yet
this man Frank, coolly, composedly, with his great capacity
for figures and data, in his own statement says that he gets
to Montags at that hour. And you’ve got the records, trot
them out, if I’m wrong. At 11 A. M. Frank returns to the
pencil factory; Holloway and Mann come to the office; Frank
dictates mail and acknowledges letters. Frank, in his statement,
says 11:05. Any way, oh Lord, any hour, any minute,
move them up and move them down, we’ve got to have
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to climb. “12:12, approximate time Mary Phagan arrives.”
Frank says that Mary Phagan arrived ten or fifteen minutes
after Miss Hall left; and with mathematical accuracy, you’ve
got Miss Hall leaving the factory at 12:03. Why, I never
saw so many watches, so many clocks or so many people who
seem to have had their minds centered on time as in this
case. Why, if people in real life were really as accurate as
you gentlemen seek to have us believe, I tell you this would
be a glorious old world, and no person and no train would
ever be behind time. It doesn’t happen that way, though.
But to crown it all, in this table which is now turned to the
wall, you have Lemmie Quinn arriving, not on the minute,
but, to serve your purposes, from 12:20 to 12:22; but that,
gentlemen, conflicts with the evidence of Freeman and the
other young lady, who placed Quinn by their evidence, in the
factory before that time.

Mr. Arnold: There isn’t a word of evidence to that
effect; those ladies were there at 11:35 and left at
11:45, Corinthia Hall and Miss Freeman, they left there
at 11:45, and it was after they had eaten lunch and
about to pay their fare before they ever saw Quinn, at
the little cafe, the Busy Bee. He says that they saw
Quinn over at the factory before 12, as I understood it.
Mr. Dorsey: Yes, sir, by his evidence.
Mr. Arnold: That’s absolutely incorrect, they never
saw Quinn there then and never swore they did.
Mr. Dorsey: No, they didn’t see him there, I doubt if
anybody else saw him there either.
Mr. Arnold Promises to Interrupt.
Mr. Arnold: If a crowd of people here laughs every
time we say anything, how are we to hear the Court?
He has made a whole lot of little mis-statements, but I
let those pass, but I’m going to interrupt him on every
substantial one he makes. He says those ladies saw
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I say he wasn’t there, and they didn’t say that he was
there then.
The Court: What is it you say, Mr. Dorsey?
Mr. Dorsey: I was arguing to the jury the evidence.
The Court: Did you make a statement to that effect?
Mr. Dorsey: I made a statement that those two
young ladies say they met Holloway as he left the
factory at 11:05-I make the statement that as soon
as they got back down to that Greek cafe, Quinn came
in and said to them, “I have just been in and seen Mr.
Frank.”
Mr. Arnold: They never said that, they said they met
Holloway at 11:45, they said at the Busy Bee cafe, but
they met Quinn at 12:30.
Mr. Dorsey: Well, get your record-you can get a
record on almost any phase, this busy Quinn was blowing
hot and blowing cold, no man in God’s world knows
what he did say, but I’ve got his affidavit there.
Jim Conley is a liar, is he? Jim said Quinn was there, and
Jim said Quinn was there before Mary Phagan was there;
is that the truth? But Frank, your own man, had a hard
time recollecting that Lemmie Quinn was ever there, and
Lemmie is entirely too accurate and too precise and had
too hard a time making that man there know he was in that
factory, and even after he remembered it, Frank wanted to
consult his lawyers before Quinn would be authorized to
make it public. Emma Freeman and Clark were there before
12 o’clock, and they met old Holloway as he went away, and
they didn’t stay there any length of time, and they went to
the Busy Bee cafe and Lemmie Quinn came in immediately
after they got up there and said “I have just been up to see
Mr. Frank.”
Contradictions of Witnesses.
Is Jim Conley telling the truth or is Jim a liar? You can’t
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he telling a lie? Jim says Quinn went up the stairs and
came down the stairs before this little girl ever got there,
and if that be true, why was it this man Frank wanted to
consult his lawyers before he could ever say anything about
it? I don’t doubt you’ll find something there that Lemmie
Quinn swore, but if you’ll hand me that affidavit that Lemmie
Quinn swore to-he’s the hardest man to pin down on
a proposition that ever I saw. That man Quinn is the most
anxious man that ever I saw on the stand except old Holloway;
he would tell it if Frank said tell it, or keep it quiet
if Frank says not to tell-and he wanted to consult his lawyers
about it-and you tell me that an honest man, an honest
juror, will believe anything like that?
Acts, Not Words Alone.
But, gentlemen, let me read you what a great Judge said,
in reference to this statement. Judge Lochrane said, in 43rd
Georgia, “I don’t take the mere words even, of witnesses, I
take their acts.” And while I’m on that subject, I want to
read you this proposition of law: “Evidence given by a witness
has inherent strength, which even a jury cannot under
all circumstances disregard; a statement has none.” Evidence
of a sworn witness, who can be impeached and tried
for perjury, has inherent strength, they say, in 101st Ga.
520, which a jury, acting under oath cannot disregard, but
a statement has none-I mean, arbitrarily disregard-and
the law even goes to the extent of saying you must not impute
perjury to people if you can possibly reconcile the evidence
without doing so, but in seeking to find the truth and
do the right thing, you have got to impute it if it is so irreconcilable
that you can’t do so.
Mr. Arnold: I have found that evidence, now, Mr.
Dorsey, about the time those ladies saw Quinn.
Mr. Dorsey: I’ll admit he swore both ways.

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Mr. Arnold: No, he didn’t, either. I read from the
evidence of Miss Corinthia Hall: (Counsel read the portion
of the evidence in dispute.) Then Mr. Dorsey
asked her, “Then you say you saw Lemmie Quinn right
at the Greek cafe at five minutes to twelve, something
like that? A-No sir, I don’t remember what time it
was when I saw him, we went into the cafe, ordered
sandwiches and a cup of coffee, drank the coffee and
when we were waiting on the change he came in.” And
further on, “All he said (Quinn) was he had been up
and had seen Mr. Frank, that was all he said?” A-”Yes,
sir,” and so on. Now, the evidence of Quinn: “What
sort of clock was that ?”-he’s telling the time he was
at DeFoor’s pool parlor-”What sort of clock was that?
A-Western Union clock. Q-What did the clock say
when you looked at it? A-12:30.” And he also swore
that he got to the pencil factory at 12:20, that’s in a
half dozen different places.
The Court: Anything contrary to that record, Mr.
Dorsey?
Mr. Dorsey: Yes, sir, I’m going to show it by their own
table that didn’t concur,-that don’t scare anybody and
don’t change the facts.
Mr. Arnold: Every time he makes a substantial misquotation
I’m going to stop him, but not little ones, life
is too short to jump him on little ones,-I’d be up all
the time.
Mr. Dorsey: Yes, you would,-he isn’t going to let
anything go by, he’s too shrewd and too able and too
vigilant and too anxious, don’t you be afraid he’s going
to let anything get by.
Here’s this table which is turned to the wall and on which,
for your purposes, you have Lemmie Quinn coming up to
see this man Frank at from 12:20 P. M. to 12:22 P. M., and
in my hand I hold an affidavit made by this pet foreman of
the metal department, who seeks to shield and protect his
superintendent, in which he says that he got up there to see
Frank between 12 and 12:20. And Freeman and Clark say
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old man Holloway says that he left at about a quarter to
twelve, and they say that they went up and then they came
down, and then went right up to the other corner and right
back down, and that Lemmie Quinn was there; and I submit
to you as fair men and honest men, if Frank left the pencil
factory, as he said in the first statement that he made ii
the presence of his counsel, Mr. Rosser, at 1:10 o’clock P. M.,
on April 26th, and then he got home out yonder at 1:20, in
the name of goodness, couldn’t those girls have walked a
block up and a block down in fifteen minutes?
Alibi Table a Fraud.
I know it hurts; but this table here, which is a fraud on
its face, puts Lemmie Quinn there from 12:20 to 12:22-no
bigger farce in this case than your, straining at a gnat, like
this, except Doctor Billie Owens’ little pantomime with Haas
and Fleming and Brent: “Where did you go when you left?
Up town. Where? By the National Pencil Company. What
time? Between 12 and 12:20″-I haven’t got time to take
up your time reading all that Lemmie Quinn said-”You
don’t undertake to be accurate about the time you was
there?” And Lemmie Quinn says “I couldn’t swear positively.”
“You can’t be definite as to what time you got to
that pool room ?” And Lemmie Quinn says that he got there
between 12:20 and 12:30. Now, if he got to that pool room,
several blocks away, at 12:20-and this is Quinn’s statement-
how could he have gone up in the pencil factory to
see Frank at 12:20 to 12:30? But I’ll tell you about that,
gentlemen, whenever a man gets to swearing too definitely
and too specifically about this thing of time, in the language
that I just quoted from, as .used by Daniel Webster, in the
Knapp case, he isn’t to be relied upon.
Perjury Charges.
Now, let’s pass on to this perjury charge that Mr. Arnold
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these witnesses, you saw their manner, their attitude, their
interest,–one of those ladies from the factory over there
wanted to die for this man Frank,–she was almost hysterical.
When, when, gentlemen, did you ever know of an employee
being so enamored of an employer that they were
willing to lay down and die, if that friendship was purely
platonic? I know enough about human nature to know that
this willingness to die, this anxiety to put her neck in a
noose that ought to go around this man, was born of something
more than just platonic friendship; don’t you? Whenever
you see a woman willing to lie down and die for a man
not related to her, who occupies the relation simply towards
her, that of an employer, you may know and you can gamble
on it that there is something stronger than ordinary platonic
love. It must be a passion born of something beyond
the relation that ought to obtain between a married man and
a single woman, employer and employee.
Flimsy Story of Bauer Boy.
We have had a remarkable illustration here of all kinds of
facts sworn to, if you had asked me if we could have found
people in town who could have done it, oh, me, I wouldn’t
have believed it. Take that little Bauer boy,-the man who
before he had that ride with Sig Montag,-the man who was
so anxious that nothing be twisted,-and before dinner, before
he took that ride in that automobile to the office of Mr.
Arnold, where Mr. Rosser was also, he could remember the
minutest details, but after dinner, after the automobile ride,
after he had looked into the countenance of these able counsel,
Lord, me, that boy had a lapse of memory. Old man
Sig must have told him about like that old hardshell preacher
down in South Georgia said to his congregation, when they
had met and prayed for rain, and they prayed and they
prayed, and after awhile, as old Sam Jones said, the Good
Lord sent them a trash mover, a ground soaker and a gully
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move everything away, the old hardshell member whose
prayers had brought the rain, scratched his chin and said,
“Brethren, we have a leetel over-done it ;” and so Montag
must have whispered into the ears of little Roy Bauer, “Roy,
you have a leetle over-done it,” and he had, too; and after
dinner, he didn’t know anything.
But that wasn’t all, that little boy remembered exactly
where his watch lay-my! my! Talk about perjury,-wilful,
deliberate,-and foolish, foolish, foolish, because an honest
jury knows it isn’t true; don’t you? Of course, you do. It
would stultify you to say anything else. But that wasn’t
all. They brought in that machinist Lee, and that fellow
Lee was just simply prepared to swear anything, and there
wasn’t a man on this jury, there wasn’t a man within the
sound of his voice but what knows that Lee didn’t tell the
truth; and Lee swore that he had seen in the possession of
Schiff, just the other day, a statement that he had signed,
and I quizzed him particularly about it, and he said he had
seen the paper that he had signed, and forthwith we served
them with a subpoena duces tecum to bring it here, and
they brought in a paper that hasn’t got the mention of his
name even on the typewriter.
Perjury of Defense Witnesses.
Now, that’s the kind of stuff you’ve got here, that’s the
kind of stuff they are unloading on you, and the funny part
about it is they expect you to believe it, and not only that,
but the idea-and they didn’t think we could get Duffythat
that man stood right over that spot with that blood
squirting from his finger, and every man, even one from the
asylum, knows the first thing he would do would be to grab
something and put around it. Standing there; what’s the
purpose of standing there? Well, this will be out with you.
Well, it’s the most ridiculous proposition that ever was set
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nation! Talk about fatiguing the indignation! Don’t it
make you sick, such silly tommy-rot? Perjury!
Let’s go a step further. I tell you, gentlemen, I never have
yet seen a case where women have been suborned as in this
case. Why, you take Miss Fleming, the stenographer, put
up here to prove one thing and we took her up on an unsuspected
line of the investigation,-and she was the stenographer,–
and she swore that this man’s character was unusually
good; she did that. And in her cross examination,
“You are just talking about your personal relations with
him, I suppose? Yes sir, in general, of course”: “General,”-
she’s got that word “general,” and she’s talking about her
personal relations-oh, we didn’t contend that this man tried
to seduce or tried to ravish every woman that worked in that
factory,-in the first place, all of them wouldn’t submit, and
he knew who to approach and who not to, except when he approached
Mary Phagan, then he was called. “But you don’t
undertake, of course, to tell what anybody said, you are just
telling your own personal experience ?” “Yes, what I saw,”
and that’s in keeping with about all the evidence on character
they have got here anyhow. “What you saw of him
yourself? A.-Yes, sir.”
Poster Forbidding Flirting.
Now, so much for that. I submit that isn’t worth a cent,
and that’s in keeping with it all. Now, she was the stenographer,-”
Did he stay in the office all the time or circulate
around?” A.-”No, he went to different parts of the factory.”
“Did he come in contact with the help throughout the
factory ?” “To a certain extent he did, he was- the superintendent.”
“There was a great deal of flirting went on at this
window, wasn’t there ?” “I never did see any.” They never
asked her whether she ever heard about it. “I didn’t see any
and I don’t know whether it did or not.” “They tried to put
a stop to it?” “I never heard about it.” “Didn’t he write
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see any of them.” “What time did you get off Saturday afternoon
?” “I was supposed to get off at one o’clock.” “On holidays
what time did you get off?” “I got off all holidays, I
never worked there on holidays at all. The factory people
were supposed to leave at 12 o’clock on Saturdays.” “Did the
other office and clerical force get off at the same time you
did or not ?” “I think they worked in the afternoon”-”Not
what you think; did you enter up on the order book, and
what did Frank do?” “He did general office work like the
rest. This is in the morning when I was there.” “What do
you mean by general office work?” “I don’t say that-don’t
say he did general office work-but I saw him in the morning.”
“Doing what ?” “Making out the financial sheet.”
Working at Financial Sheet.
The stenographer put up to prove his character says, first,
she only knows what this man did to her and in her presence,
and when questioned about the financial sheet, the
stenographer, Miss Fleming, most capable of knowing exact-.
ly what work really did occur on Saturdays before she left at
one o’clock, says Frank’s business was to make out the financial
sheet. “I saw him making out the financial sheet.”
“You saw him at that, did you ?” “Yes, sir.” “Now, you are
sure you did that ?” “Yes sir.” “You are positive he did
that ?” “Yes sir, he did it always before twelve or one o’clock,
in the morning.”
Then Mr. Arnold says, “He didn’t have time to do that Saturday
morning,” and she caught it, lit on it like a duck on a
June bug and said “No, he didn’t have time Saturday morning.”
She had already said in the very words I have read
you that that was his Saturday morning work. Mr. Arnold
was so nervous that he couldn’t let me continue the examination
and he interpolated, “He didn’t have time to do that
Saturday morning”-a thing that was unfair,-and she was
telling the truth when she said-I’ve got it here in black and
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before I left there at one o’clock.” “You saw him at that,
did you?” “Yes sir.” “Now, you are sure he did that?” “Yes
sir.” “You are positive he did that?” “Yes sir ;” and then Mr.
Arnold comes in with his suggestion, and she takes the bait
and runs under the bank-he saw how it cut. Then I came
back at her again,-now, just to show how she turned turtle,
“You did see Frank working Saturday morning on the financial
sheet?” “No, he didn’t work on the financial sheet.”
“Why did you state a moment ago you saw him working on
it?” “No sir, I didn’t.”
My Lord! Gentlemen, are you going to take that kind of
stuff ? I know she is a woman, and I’d hesitate except I had
the paper here in my hands to make this charge but if you as
honest men are going to let the people of Georgia and Fulton
County and of Atlanta suffer one of its innocent girls to go
to her death at the hands of a man like this and then turn
him loose on such evidence as this, then I say it’s time to
quit going through the farce of summoning a jury to try
him. If I had the standing, the ability and the power of either
Messrs. Arnold or Rosser, to ring that into your ears
and drive it home, you would almost write a verdict of guilty
before you left your box.
Much Easier to Convict Negro.
Perjury! Perjury! When did old John Starnes and Pat
Campbell, from the Emerald Isle, or Rosser ever fall so low
that, when they could convict a negro,–easy, because he
wouldn’t have Arnold and Rosser, but just my friend Bill
Smith. And for what reason do they want to let Jim
go and go after this man Frank? Why didn’t they take
Newt Lee? Why didn’t they take Gantt? The best reason
in the world is that they had only cob-webs, cob-webs, weak
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stances were inconsistent with the theory of guilt and consistent
with some other hypothesis.
But as to this man, you have got cables, strong, so strong
that even the ability, the combined ability of the erudite
Arnold and the dynamic Rosser couldn’t break them or disturb
them.
Circumstantial evidence is just as good as any other kind,
when it’s the right kind. It’s a poor case of circumstantial
evidence against Newt Lee; it’s no case against that longlegged
Gantt from the hills of Cobb. But against this man,
oh, a perfect, a perfect case. And you stood up here and
dealt in generalities as to perjury and corruption; it isn’t
worth a cent unless you put your finger on the specific instances,
and here it is in black and white, committed in the
presence of this jury, after she had already said that he
wrote the financial sheet Saturday morning, and at your suggestion,
she turned around and swore to the contrary.
Yet my friend Schiff says,-no, I take that back-Schiff
says, with the stenographer gone, with Frank behind in his
work, that he went home and slept all day, and didn’t get up
what he called the “dahta”-well, he’s a Joe Darter, that’s
what Schiff is. It never happened, it never happened, with
that financial sheet that Saturday morning, but if it did, it
wouldn’t prove anything. He may have the nerve of an
Oscar Wilde, he may have been cool, when nobody was there
to accuse him, and it isn’t at all improbable, if he didn’t
have the “dahta” in the morning, for him to have sat there
and deliberately written that financial sheet.
But do you believe it? No. Do you tell me that this man
Frank, when the factory closed at twelve o’clock Saturdays,
with as charming a wife as he possesses, with baseball,-the
college graduate, the head of the B’nai ‘Brith, the man who
loved to play cards and mix with friends, would spend his
Saturday afternoons using this “dahta” that Schiff got up
for him, when he could do it Saturday morning? No sir.
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stay there very often on Saturday afternoon ;” Miss Fleming
didn’t stay there all afternoon.

Financial Sheet Saturday Morning.

Now, gentlemen, I submit this man made that financial
sheet Saturday morning. I’m not going to give you my reasons
why I contend that, because it is unnecessary; but if he
did it Saturday afternoon, and Schiff hadn’t gotten up his
“dahta,” he did it thinking then of an alibi; and don’t you tell
me that he didn’t do it Saturday afternoon because the penmanship
don’t betray nervousness,-an expert like him, with
nobody to accuse him, if he could go home and in the bosom
of his family so deport himself after that atrocious crime as
not to be observed by his family, if that be true, he could
have fixed up that financial sheet Saturday afternoon, but he
wouldn’t have done it without Schiff having furnished the
data if he hadn’t been suspecting an accusation of murdering
that little girl. A man of Frank’s type could easily have
fixed that financial sheet,-a thing he did fifty-two times a
year for five or six years,-and could have betrayed no nervousness,
he might easily,–as he did when he wrote for the
police,–in the handwriting, a thing that he was accustomed
to do,-even in the presence of the police-you’ll have it out
with you-he may have written so as not to betray his nervousness.
Friend Wouldn’t Identify Writing.

And speaking about perjury: There’s a writing that his
mother said anybody who knew his writing ought to be able
to identify and yet, that man you put up there to prove
Frank’s writing, was so afraid that he would do this man
some injury, that he wouldn’t identify the writing that his
mother says that anybody that knows it at all, would recognize.

I grant you that he didn’t betray nervousness, probably,
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fix up a financial sheet that he had been fixing up fifty-two
times a year for five or six years and not betray nervousness;
I grant you that he could unlock the safe, a thing that he did
every day for three hundred and sixty-five days in the year,
without betraying nervousness; but when he went to run the
elevator, when he went to nail up the door, when he talked to
the police, when he rode to the station, then he showed
nervousness.
Beattie Joked, Too.
But he could sit in a hall and read and joke about the
baseball umpire, but his frivolity, that annoyed the people
Saturday night that they had the card game, was the same
kind of frivolity that Beattie betrayed when he stood at the
automobile that contained the blood of his wife that he had
shot. And certainly it is before this jury that he went in
laughing and joking and trying to read a story that resulted
only in annoyance to the people that were in that card game.
But whether or not he made out that financial sheet, I’ll
tell you something that he did do Saturday afternoon, when
he was waiting up there for old Jim to come back to burn
that body, I’ll tell you something that he did do,-and don’t
forget the envelope and don’t forget the way that that paper
was folded, either, don’t forget it: Listen to this: “I trust
this finds you and dear tont (that’s the German for aunt)
well after arriving safe in New York. I hope you found all
the dear ones well, in Brooklyn.”
Letter to Uncle.
Didn’t have any Wealthy people in Brooklyn, eh? This
uncle of his was mighty near Brooklyn, the very time old
Jim says he looked up and said “I have wealthy people in
Brooklyn.” And I would really like to know, I would like to
see how much that brother in law that runs that Cigar business
has invested in that store, and how much he has got.

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The very letter that you wrote on Saturday, the 26th, shows.
that you anticipated that this old gentleman, whom everybody
says has got money, was then, you supposed, in Brooklyn,
because here you say that “I hope you have found all
the dear ones well’–but I’m coming back to what Frank
said to old Jim-”and I await a letter from you telling me
how you found things there in Brooklyn. Lucile and I are
well.”

Now here is a sentence that is pregnant with significance,
which bears the ear-marks of the guilty conscience; tremulous
as he wrote it? No, he could shut his eyes and write and
make up a financial sheet,-he’s capable and smart, wonderfully
endowed intellectually, but here’s a sentence that, if I
know human nature and know the conduct of the guilty conscience,
and whatever you may say about whether or not he
prepared the financial sheet on Saturday morning, here’s a
document I’ll concede was written when he knew that the
body of little Mary Phagan, who died for virtue’s sake, lay
in the dark recesses of that basement. “It is too short a
time,” he says, “since you left for anything startling to have
developed down here.” Too short! Too short! Startling!
But “Too short a time,” and that itself shows that the dastardly
deed was done in an incredibly short time. And do
you tell me, honest men, fair men, courageous men, true
Georgians seeking to do your duty, that that phrase, penned
by that man to his uncle on Saturday afternoon, didn’t come
from a conscience that was its own accuser? “It is too short
a time since you left for anything startling to have developed
down here.” What do you think of that? And then listen
at this,–as if that old gentleman, his uncle, cared anything
for this proposition, this old millionaire traveling abroad to
Germany for his health, this man from Brooklyn,-an eminent
authority says that unusual, unnecessary, unexpected
and extravagant expressions are always earmarks of fraud;
and do you tell me that this old gentleman, expecting to sail
for Europe, the man who wanted the price list and financial
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this sentence itself significant: “Today was yontiff (holiday)
here, and the thin gray lines of veterans here braved
the rather chilly weather to do honor to their fallen comrades”;
and this from Leo M. Frank, the statistician, to the
old man, the millionaire, or nearly so, who cared so little
about the thin gray line of veterans, but who cared all for
how much money had been gotten in by the pencil factory.
Letter Betrays Frank.
“Too short a time for anything startling to have happened
down here since you left ;” but there was something startling,
and it happened within the space of thirty minutes.
“There is nothing new in the factory to report.” Ah! there
was something new, and there was something startling, and
the time was not too short. You can take that letter and
read it for yourself. You tell me that letter was written in
the morning, do you believe it? I tell you that that letter
shows on its face that something startling had happened,
and that there was something new in the factory, and I tell
you that that rich uncle, then supposed to be with his kindred
in Brooklyn, didn’t care a flip of his finger about the
thin gray line of veterans. His people lived in Brooklyn,
that’s one thing dead sure and certain, and old Jim never
would have known it except Leo M. Frank had told him, and
they had at least $20,000.00 in cool cash out on interest, and
the brother-in-law the owner of a store employing two or
three people, and we don’t know how many more; and if the
uncle wasn’t in Brooklyn, he was so near thereto that even
Frank himself thought he was there at the very moment he
claimed he was there, because he says “you have seen or are
with the people in Brooklyn.”
Telegraphs to Montag.
All right; let’s go a step further. On April 28th, he wired
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to what he says-”You may have read in Atlanta papers of
factory girl found dead Sunday morning.” In factory? In
factory? No, “in cellar.” Cellar where? “Cellar of pencil
factory.” There’s where he placed her, there’s where he expected
her to be found; and the thing WeRed up in his mind
to such an extent that, Monday morning, April 28th, before
he had ever been arrested, he wires Montag forestalling
what he knew would surely and certainly come unless the
Atlanta detectives were corrupted and should suppress it
and protect him, as he sought to have Jim Conley do; but
be it said to your credit, John Starnes, and be it said to your
credit, Pat Campbell, and be it said to your credit, Rosser,
and be it said to your credit, Black, you had the manhood
and the courage to do your duty and to roll it up to this man,
surrounded and protected as he was by wealth and influence,
and at that time, ah, listen at this, listen at this, ye men that
have been accused of the most dastardly crimes, ye men that
have been accused by these attorneys here employed to defend
this man, of subornation of perjury, listen to the commendation
which Frank himself, at the time he was seeking
to have you put a rope around the neck of Newt Lee and
around the neck of Gantt, says about you:
“You have read in Atlanta papers of factory girl found
dead Sunday morning in cellar of pencil factory. Police will
eventually solve it,”-he didn’t have any doubt about it-
“Police will eventually solve it”-and be it said to their credit,
they did,–”Assure my uncle”-he says, Monday morning–”
I am all right in case he asks. Our company has case
well in hand.” “Girl found dead in pencil factory cellar,” he
says in the telegram, “the police will eventually solve it,” he
says, before he was arrested, “I am all right, in case my
uncle asks,” and “our company has the case well in hand.”
Honesty of Pinkerton Detective.
Well, maybe he did think that when he got that fellow
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honest man. If there was a slush fund in this case,-these
witnesses here say they don’t know anything about it, but if
there was a slush fund in this case, Scott could have
got it, because, at first, he nevbr heard any words
that sounded better to him than when Scott said “we travel
arm in arm with fhe police,” that’s exactly what Frank
wanted them to do at that time, he wanted somebody that
would run with Black and Starnes and Rosser, and it sounded
good to him, and he said all right. He didn’t want him
to run anywhere else, because he wanted. him to work hand
in glove with these men, and he wanted to know what they
did and what they said and what they thought. But Haasand
he’s nobody’s fool-when he saw that they were getting
hot on the trail, opened up the conversation with the suggestion
that “now you let us have what you get, first,” and
if Scott had fallen for that suggestion, then there would have
been something else. You know it. You tell me that letter
and that telegram are not significant? I tell you that this
evidence shows, notwithstanding what “Joe Darter” Schiff
swore, when he saw the necessity to meet this evidence of
Miss Fleming, which Mr. Arnold tried so hard, because he
saw the force of it, to turn into another channel, that Frank
didn’t fix that financial sheet Saturday morning. I say that,
with the stenographer gone and Frank behind (and Schiff
had never done such a thing before, he had always stuck to
him in getting it up before), that what Gantt told you is the
truth.
This man, expert, brilliant-talk about this expert accountant,
Joel Hunter! Why, he isn’t near as smart as this
man Frank, to begin on, and besides, the idea of his going up
there and taking up those things and trying to institute a
comparison as to how long it would take him, even if he had
the capacity of Frank-he hasn’t got it-to go up there and
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Frank’s Statement Implies Guilt.
And Frank himself wasn’t satisfied with all this showing
about what he had done, he got up on the stand,–he saw
the weakness of his case, and he’s as smart as either one of
his lawyers, too, let me tell you, and I’ll bet you he wrote
that statement, too, they may have read it, but he wrote it-
Frank realized that he must go over and beyond what the evidence
was, and through his statement he sought to lug into
this case something that they didn’t have any evidence for.
Why? Because he knew in his heart that all this talk about
the length of time it took to fix that financial sheet was mere
buncombe. Then he seeks to put in here through that statement-
and if we hadn’t stopped him he would have done ita
whole raft of other stuff that Schiff, as willing as he was,
as anxious as he was, couldn’t stultify himself to such an extent
as to tell you that Frank did that work Saturday morning.
But if he did write that financial sheet Saturday afternoon,
a thing I submit he didn’t do,-I’m willing to admit
he wrote that letter,-I ask you, as fair men and honest
men and disinterested jurors representing the people of this
community in seeing that justice is done and that the man
who committed that dastardly deed has meted out to him
that which he meted out to this poor little girl, if this documentary
evidence, these papers, don’t have the impress of
a guilty man? You know it.
Four Instances of Perjury.
All right; but you say there’s perjury. Where is it? I’ll
tell you another case-I have already referred to it-it’s
when that man, put up there to identify Frank’s writing,
failed to identify a writing that Frank’s own mother swore
that anybody that knew anything about his writing could
have identified. There’s perjury there when Roy Bauer swore
with such minute particularity as to his visits to that factory.
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held his finger out and just let that blood spurt. But that
ain’t all. Here’s the evidence of Mrs. Carson. Mrs. Carson
says she has worked in that factory three years; and Mr.
Arnold, in that suave manner of his, without any evidence to
support it, not under oath, says “Mrs. Carson, I’ll ask you a
question I wouldn’t ask a younger woman, have you ever at
any time around the ladies’ dressing room seen any blood
spots ;” and she said “I certainly have.” That’s a ridiculous
proposition on its face. “Have you seen that on several occasions
or not ?” “I seen it three or four times”-now, in
three years; but now, “Did you ever have any conversation
with Jim Conley ?” and she says, “Yes, on Tuesday he came
around to sweep around my table”-that’s exactly where
Jim says he was Tuesday morning before this man was arrested;
“What floor do you work on?” “Fourth.” “What
floor do your daughters work on ?” “On the fourth.” “Did
you see him up there Monday morning ?” “No sir”-that’s
Frank. “Tuesday morning?” “I saw him Tuesday morning”-
he was up there on the fourth floor after the murder,
on Tuesday, “sometime between nine and eleven o’clock.” I
said, “between nine and eleven, somewhere along there?”
“Sometime between nine and eleven thirty.” “Now, Jim
Conley and Leo M. Frank were both on your floor between
the same hours ?” “I saw Mr. Frank and I saw Jim Conley.”
“And you know it because you had a conversation with Mr.
Frank, and you had a conversation with Jim Conley ?” “Yes,
I saw them both.” And Conley says-and surely, Conley
couldn’t have been put up to it by these men, even if they had
wanted to suborn perjury-that when Frank came up there
Tuesday morning before he was arrested, it was then that he
came to him and leaned over and said “Jim, be a good boy,”
and then Jim, remembering the money and remembering the
wealthy people in Brooklyn and the promises that Frank
made, says, “Yes, I is.”
Tuesday morning, says Mrs. Carson, your witness, Jim
Conley and Frank both were on that floor, and Jim was doing
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see. This old lady was very much interested. “Now, did you
go on the office floor to see that blood”-listen at this-
“What blood?” “The blood right there by the dressing
room ?” “What dressing room, what blood are you talking
about ?” She had seen it three or four times all over the factory.
“On the second floor?” “No sir,” she says, “I never
did see that spot.” “Never saw it at all?” “No, I didn’t
care to look at nothing like that.” “You don’t care to look
at nothing like that?” A.-”No sir, I don’t.”
Now, that’s Mrs. Carson, the mother of Miss Rebecca,
that’s what she told you under oath when she was on the
stand.
Frank’s Protection Eased Conley.
Now, let’s see about perjury. Now, mark you, I’m not
getting up here and saying this generally, without putting
my finger on the specific instances, and I’m not nearly exhausting
the record,-you can follow it up,-but I am just
picking out a few instances. Here’s what Mrs. Small says
about Jim Conley reading the newspapers. Well; if Jim
had committed that crime and he hadn’t felt that he had
the power and influence of Leo Frank back of him to protect
him, he never would have gone back there to that factory
or sat around and read newspapers, and you know it,
if you know anything about the character of the negro.
Why was he so anxious to get the newspapers? It was because
Jim knew some of the facts that he wanted to see,
negro-like,-that’s what made him so anxious about it.
Here Mr. Arnold comes,-”You are a lady that works on the
fourth floor, and I’m going to ask you a question that we
are going to ask every lady that works on that fourth
floor;” and we caught them out on that proposition, too,
didn’t we? And you don’t know right now how many women
that worked on that floor were put up and how many
weren’t. You’ve got the books and the records and you
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after you had gone ahead and four-flushed before this jury
as to what you were going to do, we picked out Miss Kitchens
and brought her here and she corroborated your own
witness, Miss Jackson, as to the misconduct of this superintendent,
Frank.
Now, let’s see what Mrs. Small says-Mrs. Small is the
lady that got the raise, you remember, and couldn’t tell
what date it was, thought it had been about four months
ago, she got a five cent raise; about four months ago would
make it since this murder, and when I got to quizzing her
about it she didn’t know when she got the raise, and she’s
not the only one that got the raise, and it wasn’t only in the
factory that they raised them, either. Even Minola McKnight
got some raise, and after she saw the import of it, “You
don’t remember the exact date.” “No sir, I don’t,” when
she had already placed the date subsequent to this murder;
and this woman, Mrs. Small, also corroborates Jim Conley
about being up there Tuesday.
Frank Went Up to See Conley.
“Did you see Mr. Frank up there any of those days ?” “I
saw Mr. Frank up there Tuesday after that time.” “What
time Tuesday ?” “I couldn’t tell you, I guess it was between
eight and nine o’clock.” The other one saw him somewhere
between nine and eleven or eleven thirty. This lady, their
witness, says that he was up there between eight and nine.
Why was Frank so anxious to go up there on that floor?
Why? It was because he wanted to see this man Jim Conley
that he thought was going to protect him. Mr. Rosser
characterized my suggestion that this man Frank called
upon and expected Jim Conley to conceal the crime as a dirty
suggestion, and I accept it as absolutely true, and I go
a step further, and say it was not only dirty, it was infamous.
And he would today sit here in this courthouse and see
a jury of honest men put a rope around Jim Conley’s neck,
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mean to bring Jim Conley in unless he had to-and he had
to. Jim says the first question he asked him when he saw
him down there after this dastardly crime had been committed
was, “Have you seen anybody go up?” “Yes,” says
Jim, “I have seen two girls go up but I haven’t seen but one
come down.” And then it was that this man saw the absolute
necessity of taking Jim into his confidence, because he
knew that Jim was on the lookout for him, and Starnes and
Campbell and Black, combined, together, and even if you
make a composite intellect and add the brilliance of Messrs.
Rosser and Arnold to that of these detectives, could never
have fitted that piece of mosiac into the situation; it isn’t
to be done.
Low Enough to Hang Conley Instead.
“Jim, have you seen anybody go up?” “Yes,” said Jim,
“I see two girls go up but only one came down.” And you
told Jim to protect you, and Jim tried to do it, and the suggestion
was dirty, and worse than that, it is infamous, to be
willing to see Jim Conley hung for a crime that Leo Frank
committed.
But I’m coming to that after a while, I haven’t got to the
State’s case yet, I’m just cutting away some of the underbrush
that you have tried to plant in this forest of gigantic
oaks to smother up their growth, but you can’t do it, the
facts are too firmly and too deeply rooted. Oh, yes, says
Mrs. Small, I saw Frank up there on that fourth floor between
eight and nine o’clock Tuesday morning, and the other
lady saw him up there between nine and eleven, she
wouldn’t be sure the day he was arrested-I say arrested,
according to Frank’s own statement himself, they got him
and just detained him, and even then, red-handed murderer
as he was, his standing and influence, and the standing and
influence of his attorney, somehow or other-and that’s the
only thing to the discredit of the police department throughout
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dated and afraid because of the influence that was back of
him, to consign him to a cell like they did Lee and Conley,
and it took them a little time to arrive at the point where
they had the nerve and courage to face the situation and
put him where he ought to be.
Honest Efforts of John Black.
Now, I’ll tell you another thing, too, if old John Blackand
Mr. Rosser didn’t get such a great triumph out of him
as he would have us believe, either. Black’s methods are
somewhat like Rosser’s methods, and if Black had Rosser
where Rosser had Black, or if Black had Rosser down at
police station, Black would get Rosser; and if Black had been
given an opportunity to go after this man, Leo M. Frank,
like lie went after that poor defenseless negro, Newt Lee,
towards whom you would have directed suspicion, this trial
might have been obviated, and a confession might have been
obtained. You didn’t get your lawyer to sustain you and
support you a moment too soon. You called for Darley, and
you called for Haas, and you called for Rosser, and you called
for Arnold, and it took the combined efforts of all of them
to keep up your nerve. You know that I’m telling you the
truth, don’t you? And I don’t want to misquote and I won’t
misquote, but I want to drive it home with all the power
that I possibly can or that I possess. The only thing in this
case that can be said to the discredit of the police department
of the City of Atlanta is that you treated this man, who
snuffed out that little girl’s life on the second floor of that
pencil factory, with too much consideration, and you let able
counsel and the glamour that surrounds wealth and influence,
deter you. I honor-I have nothing to do with it-but
I honor the way they went after Minola McKnight. I don’t
know whether they want me to apologize for them or not,
but if you think that finding the red-handed murdered of a
little girl like this is a ladies’ tea party, and that the detectives
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ogize and palaver, you don’t know anything about the business.
You have seen these dogs that hunt the ‘possum bark
up a tree or in a stump, and when they once get the scent
of the ‘possum, you can do what you like but they’ll bark up
that tree and they’ll bark in that stump until they run him
out, and so with old John Starnes and Campbell. They knew
and you know that Albert McKnight would never have told
Craven this tale about what he saw and what his wife had
told him except for the fact that it be true, and if you had
been Starnes, you would have been barking up that tree or
barling in that stump until you ran out what you knew was
in there. That’s all there is to it.
Following Duty of Solicitor.
You have got the writ of habeas corpus that’s guaranteed
to you, go and get it; and if Mr. Haas had come to me Tuesday
morning aid said “You direct the police”–on Monday
morning, when Frank was taken down into custody, and
said to me, “You direct the police to turn this man Frank
loose, he’s innocent,” I would have said “It’s none of my
business, I run my office, they run their office,” and the
next time the police department, in an effort to serve the
people of this community, take a negro that they know and
you know and lock her up or what not, I’ll not usurp the
functions of the judge of these courts, who can turn her
loose on a habeas corpus, and direct them to turn her loose
or interfere in any way in their business; I don’t run the
police department of the City of Atlanta, I run the office
of Solicitor General for the term that the people have elected
me, and I’m taken to task because I went in at the beginning
of this thing and didn’t stand back
I honor Mr. Hill. I am as proud of having succeeded him
as I am that I was elected to the position by the people of
this community, to the office of Solicitor General, but I have
never yet seen the man that I would take as my model or
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if there is one act since I have been Solicitor General of
which I am proud, it is the fact that I joined hand and glove
with the detectives in the effort to seek the murderer
of Mary Phagan, and when your influence poured letters
in to the Grand Jury, in an effort to hang an innocent
man, negro though he be, that I stood firmly up against it.
If that be treason, make the best of it. And if you don’t
want me to do it, then get somebody else to fill the job, and
the quicker you do it the better it will suit me. I will not
pattern myself after anybody or anybody’s method, not even
Mr. Hill, and, bless his old soul, he was grand and great, and
I have wished a hundred times that he was here today to
make the speech that I’m now making. There wouldn’t be
hair or hide left on you,-he was as noble as any Roman that
ever lived, as courageous as Julius Caesar, and as eloquent
as Demosthenes. Such talk as that don’t scare me, don’t
terrify me, don’t disturb the serenity of my conscience,
which approves of everything that I have done in the prosecution
of this man.
Witness Substantiates Conley.
Now, let’s come back here and discuss this thing of perjury,
let’s talk about that a little, let’s not get up here and
say that everybody is a liar without citing any instances
and that they are crack-brain fanatics, let’s knuckle down
and get specific instances. So this Mrs. Small says she saw
Jim Conley,-”Did you see Mr. Frank up there on any of
those days?” “I saw Mr. Frank after that crime on Tuesday.”
“What time Tuesday ?” “I couldn’t tell you, I guess
between eight and nine o’clock, he and Miss Carson were
coming up from the back end of the factory (Miss Rebecca,
I presume).” “He and Mrs. Carson were coming up from
the back end of the factory, and I stepped up in front of him
and I said ‘Here, Mr. Frank, wait a moment, 0. K. this ticket,’
he says ‘are you going to put me to work as soon as I
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0. IK’d the ticket and I went on with my work.” So Frank
was up there Tuesday morning.
“Now, speaking about Mrs. Carson, how far towards the
elevator did Mrs. Carson go with Frank? A.–”Mrs. Carson
wasn’t up there, it was Miss Carson, Miss Rebecca.”
The old lady says she was; I said, “Oh, the old lady wasn’t
up there at all?” “No sir, she wasn’t there Tuesday at all.”
“You saw Miss Rebecca Carson walking up towards the
elevator?” “Yes sir.” “What was Conley doing?” “Standing
there by the elevator.” And yet Jim has lied about
Frank! Frank was up there twice, Jim was sweeping, Jim
was there by the elevator. “At the time you saw Frank,
the negro was standing there at the elevator?” “Yes, sir,
he wasn’t sweeping, he was standing there with his hand on
the truck looking around.” “Did he see you and Frank?”
“I guess he must have seen us.” “Where was Conley when
he went down the steps?” “Standing in front of the elevator.”
“How close did Frank pass Conley?” “As close as
from here to that table, about four feet.” “Conley was
still standing there with his hand on that thing, is that
true?” “Yes sir.”
Couldn’t Hear Elevator Far.
“That’s exactly like Conley says. And here’s another
thing: This woman, Mrs. Small, testifies about that elevator,–
it shakes the whole building, I said, anybody in the
world could tell it if the machinery wasn’t running? She
says, “No, anybody in the world could tell it if the machinery
wasn’t running but you can’t notice it unless you are
close to the elevator.” I asked “If there was hammering
and knocking, would you still hear the elevator?” She said
“You could if you get close to it.” Well, of course, you could,
nobody disputes that. “If the elevator was up here, and
you were back in the rear and there was hammering and
knocking going on, you couldn’t?” “No sir.” And that disposes
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Now, Mrs. Carson had already sworn here positively that
she didn’t go down to see that blood, hasn’t she? There were
too many of these people over there at the factory who had
seen that blood,-that blood that at first wasn’t blood, it was
paint, and then wasn’t paint but was cat’s blood or blood
from somebody that was injured, and then wasn’t fresh
blood but was stale blood-too many of them had seen it.
“on Wednesday I had no business back there, I was there
one day but can’t remember.” “What did you go back there
for?” “A crowd of us went at noon to see if we could see
any blood spots.” “Were you successful ?” “No sir.” “Who
went with you ?” And lo and behold, Mrs. Carson, the mother
of Rebecca, had already stated that she didn’t go about
it, the very first person that this Mrs. Small refers to-
“Well, Mrs. Carson.” “Mrs. Carson went with you,” I said.
“Yes sir, she saw the places where the blood was said to
be.” “You know she was there, you are pretty sure she was
there ?” Mrs. Small said “Yes sir.” “It looked like what ?”
“Looked like powder.” “How much of it down there ?” “A
small amount, just a little, looked like some of the girls had
been powdering their face and spilled powder.” You know
better than that. I came back to the subject, “What makes
you say Mrs. Carson went down there with you ?” Answer.
-”Because curiosity sent us down there.” “Did curiosity
send her down there too?” “We went back afterwards.”
Now, gentlemen, somebody swore,-and I put it up to you,
too,-somebody committed perjury! “You were going back
yourself and went to get her?” “Yes sir.” “She didn’t
make any objection to going down, did she?” “No sir.”
“Don’t you know she didn’t go?” “I know,” she says, “that
she did.”
Instances, Not Generalities.
All right; if this case is founded on perjury, it’s the kettle
calling the pot black, and I haven’t dealt in glittering
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intended to be exhaustive, that’s a mere summary of a few
of these instances, they are too numerous to mention. The
truth is that there is no phase of this case, where evidence
was needed to bolster it up that somebody hasn’t come in,
you say, willingly and without pay, because, you say there
is no slush fund back of this case. Now, let’s pass on here
a little bit.
They tried mighty hard to break down this man Albert
McKnight with Minola-and I believe I’ll leave that for a
little later and come now to this statement of Frank’s.
Gentlemen, I wish I could travel faster over this. I’m doing
the very best I can, I have a difficult task and I wish I
didn’t have it to do at all.
Notes Incriminate Frank.
Now, gentlemen, I want to discuss briefly right here these
lette.s, and if these letters weren’t “the order of an all-ruling
Providence I should agree with my friends that they are the
silliest pieces of stuff ever practiced; but these letters have
intrinsic marks of a knowledge of this transaction,” these
pads, that pad,-things usually found in his office,-this man
Frank, by the language of these notes, in attempting to fasten
the crime upon another, “has indelibly fixed it upon himself.”
I repeat it, these notes, which were intended to fix the
crime upon another, “have indelibly fixed it upon this defendant,”
Leo M. Frank. The pad, the paper, the fact that he
wanted a note,–you tell me that ever a negro lived on the
face of the earth who, after having killed and robbed, or ravished
and murdered a girl down in that dark basement, or
down there in that area, would have taken up the time to
have written these notes, and written them on a scratch pad
which is a thing that usually stays in the office, or written
them on paper like this, found right outside of the office of
Frank, as shown on that diagram, which is introduced in evidence
and which you will have out with you? You tell me
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 65 1914
tell you, when they went there, would have ravished this girl.
with a knowledge of the fact that Frank was in that house?
I tell you no. Do you tell me that this man, Jim Conley,
“drunk as a fiddler’s bitch,” if you want it that way, would,
or could have taken time to have written these notes to put
beside the body of that dead girl? I tell you no, and you don’t
need me to tell you, you know it. The fact, gentlemen of the
jury, that these notes were written-ah, but you say that
it’s foolish. You say it’s foolish? It’s ridiculous. It was a
silly piece of business, it was a great folly; but murder will
out, and Providence direct things in a mysterious way, and
not only that, as Judge Bleckley says, “Crime, whenever
committed, is a mistake in itself; and what kind of logic is
it that will say that a man committed a crime, which is a
great big mistake, and then, in an effort to cover it up, won’t
make a smaller mistake ?” There’s no logic in that position.
The man who commits a crime makes a mistake, and the man
who seeks to cover it up nearly always makes also a little
mistake. And this man here, by these notes purporting to
have been written by little Mary Phagan, by the verbiage and
the language and the context, in trying to fasten it on another,
as sure as you are sitting in this jury box “has indelibly
fastened it on himself.” These gentlemen saw the significance
of the difference between Scott’s evidence, when he
was before the Coroner,-and he wasn’t quizzed there particularly
about it,-”I told her no,” and “I told her I didn’t
know”; to tell that little girl “No,” would have given her no
excuse, according to their way of thinking, to go back to see
whether that metal had come or not, but to tell her “I didn’t
know,” would lure her back into the snare where she met her
death. And your own detective, Scott, says, after he gave
the thing mature deliberation, that this man on the Monday
evening,-and he was so anxious about getting a detective
that he had that man Schiff telephone three times, three
times, three times, three times,-remember that,-so anxious
was he. Scott says, after thinking over the matter, that
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 66 1914
metal had come or not, and she went back there to see about
the metal, and he followed her back there. Mr. Arnold saw
it.
Conley Would Have Written “Done It.”
I’ll tell you another thing, that old Starnes and Campbell
and Rosser, and even Newport Lanford, if he had been called
in, and even if I had been called in, to save my life, could not
have known that the very word that Leo M. Frank used, according
to Jim Conley when Conley says Frank told him
“I’m going to chat with a girl,” would have been used exactly
four times, as I’ll show you when I come to read this statement
by Leo M. Frank, for he chatted, and he chatted, and
he chatted, and he chatted, according to his own statement.
This letter that I hold in my hand says that this negro “did
it.” Old Jim Conley in his statement here, which I hold in
my hand, every time he opened his mouth says “I done it.”
Old Jim Conley, if he had written these notes. never would
have said “this negro did it by his self,” but Frank wanted it
understood that the man that did do it, “did it by his self.”
Jim Conley says that Frank says he wanted to chat, and four
times in this statement before they suspended to go out and
let you refresh yourself, this man Frank had said that somebody
came in the office “to chat,” and Mr. Arnold, in making
his argument to the jury, realized, because he is as keen and
as smart as they ever get to be, the force of that word and
endeavored to parry the blow which I now seek to give this
defendant.
Necessity of Moving to Basement.
And you tell me that old Jim Conley, after he had robbed
and murdered, or- after he had ravished and murdered this
girl, when he would have had no occasion in the world to have
cared whether her dead body was found right there at that
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 67 1914
way back there in the basement and hide it behind the corner
of that room? I tell you that it never occurred. That
body was taken down there and put in the place where it was.
Why? Because she was murdered on the second floor, where
the blood spots are found, and because Leo M. Frank, the
superintendent of the plant, saw and felt the necessity that
that girl’s body should not be found on the second floor of
the pencil factory, but, to use the language which he put in
the letter or telegram which he sent to Adolph Montag in
New York, “in the cellar.” My! My! “That negro fireman
down here did this.”
Now, let’s see how many times Jim says “done it”: “I
locked the door like he done told me, I remembers that because
the man what was with the baby looked at me like he
thought I done it.” That’s when they ran into the man that
Jim says looked at him like he thought “I done it.”
It’s the difference between ignorance and education, and
these notes that you had that man prepare in your office on
this paper that stayed on that floor and on that pad that
came from your office, bear the marks of your diction, and
Starnes and Campbell, with all their ingenuity, couldn’t have
anticipated that old Jim would get up here and state that
“this man looked at me when he ran into that baby, like I
done it”; and couldn’t have made him say “I locked the
door like he done told me”; and couldn’t have said “I went on
and walked up to Mr. Frank and told him that girl was done
dead, he done just like this and said sh-h-h.” I could go on
with other instances.
He Said He Was Going to Chat With Her.
And there’s your word “chat,” “chat,” “chat,” “chat,” four
times, I’m going to read it to you, it’s here in black and white,
and you can’t get around it. This girl w~nt down there in
that scuttle hole? Listen at this,-you didn’t want to say
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 68 1914
knew that the ladies’ water closet was back there, and you
make this poor girl say “I went to make water,” “I went to
make water, he pushed me down that hole, a long, tall, black
negro”-”long, slim, tall, negro, I write while he play with
me.” And this note says “that long, tall, black negro did it
by his self.” Make water? Where did she go to make water?
Right back there in the same direction that she would
have gone to see about the metal. You tell me, except Providentially,
that that would have crept in here? You tell me
that old Jim Conley, negro, after he had struck that girl with
that big stick,-which is a plant as sure as you are living
here and as sure as Newt Lee’s shirt was a plant,-you tell
me that negro felt any inducement or necessity for leaving
that girl’s form anywhere except where he hit her and
knocked her down? You tell me that he had the ingenuity,
-and mark you, Starnes and these other men weren’t there
then to dictate and map out,-you tell me that he would
write a note that she went back to make water when there’s
no place and her usual place was up there on the second floor?
Notes Are Powerful Argument.
I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, that a smarter man than
Starnes, or a smarter man than Campbell, a smarter man
than Black, a smarter man than Rosser, in the person of Leo
M. Frank, felt impelled to put there these letters, which
he thought would exculpate him, but which incriminate and
damn him in the minds of every man seeking to get at the
truth. Yet you tell me there’s nothing in circumstantial
evidence, when here’s a pad and there’s the pad and there’s
the notes, which you must admit, or which you don’t deny,
old Jim Conley wrote, because you say in your statement you
had got numerous notes from him, and yet, the very day,
at the police station, according to your own statement, when
you wrote that, you saw the original of these, and you didn’t
open your mouth, you didn’t say a word, you didn’t direct
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 69 1914
had been infamously directed to keep quiet to protect you.
Things don’t happen that way, gentlemen, and you know it.
There isn’t an honest man on that jury, unbiased, unprejudiced,
seeking to get at the truth, but what knows that these
letters,-silly? Yes, silly, except you see the hand of Providence
in it all-that don’t know that the language and the
context and the material out of which they are written were
written for the protection of Leo M. Frank, the superintendent
of this factory, who wired Montag to tell his uncle “if
my uncle inquires about me state that I am all right, the police
have the thing well in hand and will eventually solve the
problem,” and the girl was found dead, not in the factory,
but in the cellar. The man who wrote the note, “nothing
startling has happened in so short a time,” wrote it
with a knowledge and conscious of the fact that this poor
girl’s life had been snuffed out even at the time he penned
the words.
You’ll have this out with you, you look at them, if you can
get anything else out of them you do it, and as honest men, I
don’t want you to convict this man unless you are satisfied
of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but don’t let that
doubt be the doubt of a crank, don’t let it be the doubt of a
man who has conjured it up simply to acquit a friend, or a
man that has been the friend of a friend; let it be the doubt
of an honest, conscientious, upright juror, the noblest work
of Almighty God.
Frank’s Statement.
Now this statement. I tell you, gentlemen of the jury,
that when this statement is scanned, it isn’t susceptible of
but one construction, and that is, that it is the statement of
a guilty man, made to fit in these general circumstances, as
they would have you believe-these gentlemen here harped a
great deal, gentlemen of the jury, “are you going to convict
him on this, are you going to convict him on that.” It isn’t
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positive evidence, and it is correct to instruct the jury that
there is nothing in the nature of circumstantial evidence that
renders it less reliable than other classes of evidence. The
illustration that they would seek, gentlemen of the jury, not
by direct language did they do it in their argument to you,
because we had already read them this authority, but they
would bring up this isolated fact and that isolated fact and
they would say “are you going to convict him on that ?” I
don’t ask your conviction on that. Two illustrations, first,
each of the incidental facts surrounding the main fact in issue,
is a link in a chain, and that the chain is not stronger
than its weakest link, this authority says is generally rejected
as an incorrect metaphor and liable to misconstruction.
The second illustration and the one that is approved is,
each of the incidental facts surrounding the main facts in
issue are compared to the strands in a rope, where none of
them may be sufficient in itself, but all taken together may
be strong enough to establish the guilt of the accused beyond
a reasonable doubt.
Strands Form Mighty Cable.
And so they took isolated instance after isolated instance
and then said “are you going to convict him on that ?” I say
no. But I do say that these instances each constitute a
chain, or a cord,–a strand in a cable, and that, when you get
them all, all together, you have a cable that ought to hang
anybody. That’s the proposition. Not on this isolated instance
or that one, but upon all, taken together and bound together,
which make a cable as strong as it is possible for the
ingenuity of man to weave around anybody.
Now, listen at this statement and let’s analyze that as we
go on a little. I don’t know whether this man’s statement
to the jury will rank along with the cross examination of
that celebrated pervert, Oscar Wilde, or not, but it was a
brilliant statement, when unanalyzed, and if you just simply
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then, of course, you are not going to convict. But listen to
what our Courts say about these statements-I have already
read it to you, but I want to read it again. “Evidence given
by a witness has inherent strength which even a jury cannot
under all circumstances disregard; a statement has none.”
No cross examination, no oath, merely a statement adoitly
prepared to meet the exigencies of the case.
Flaws in Frank’s Statement.
Now, listen at this. This man Frank says “I sat in my office
checking over the amount of money which had been left
over”-not the cash, not cash, but the amount of money
which had been left over-”from the pay-roll”-from the
$1,100.00 that they had drawn Friday, and to this day, we
don’t know how much was left over, and we don’t know
whether what was left over coupled with the cash left on
hand would make this bundle of bills that old Jim says was
shown to him and taken back, when Frank wanted to get him
to go down into that dark cellar and burn that body by himself,
and old Jim says “I’ll go if you go, but if I go down
there and burn that body, somebody might come’along and
catch me and then what kind of a fix will I be in?” And I’ll
tell you right now, if Jim Conley had gone down in that cellar
and have undertaken to have burned that body, as sure
as the smoke would have curled upward out of that funnel
towards Heaven, just so certain would Leo M. Frank have
been down there with these same detectives, and Jim Conley
would have been without a shadow of a defense. But old
Jim, drunk or sober, ignorant or smart, vile or pure, had too
much sense, and while he Was willing to write the notes to
be put by the dead body, and was willing to help this man
take the body from the second floor, where the blood was
found, into the basement and keep his mouth shut and to
protect him, until the combined efforts of Scott and Black
and Starnes and all these detectives beat him down and made
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and he had too much sense, to go down into that basement to
do that dirty job by himself and cremate the remains of this
little girl that that man in his passionate lust had put to
death. You don’t show that he didn’t have the money, and
the truth of the business is, I expect, that out of that $1,-
100.00 for the pay-roll, and $30.00 in cash which you had, if
the truth were known, you offered old Jim Conley and bought
him with that $200.00 just as surely as Judas Iscariot implanted
the kiss for the thirty shekels.
Reserved Mary Phagan’s Pay.
He says that “No one came into my office who asked for a
pay envelope or for the pay envelope of another.” This running-
mate and friend of the dead girl tells you under oath
that she went there on Friday evening when they were paid,
with the knowledge that little Marv wasn’t there, and as she
had done on previous occasions, sought to get the money to
take to her. And Ill show you when I get to the State’s case
later on that this diabolical plot, of which you have made so
much fun, is founded in reason and really did exist, and that
this man really, goaded on by passion, had been expecting
some time before to ultimately, not murder this little girl,
but cause her to yield to his blandishments and deflower her
without her resistance. Let me do it right now.
Proof That He Knew Mary.
Way back yonder in March, as far back as March, little
Willie Turner, an ignorant country boy, saw Frank trying
to force his attentions on this little girl in the metal room;
he is unimpeached, he is unimpeachable. She backed off and
told him she must go to her work, and Frank said “I am superintendent
of this factory,”-a species of coercion-”and
I want to talk to you.” You tell me that that little girl that
worked up there and upon the same floor with you in the
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this pretty, attractive little girl, twelve months, and a man
of your brilliant parts didn’t even know her, and do you tell
me that you had made up the pay-roll with Schiff fifty-two
times during the year that Mary Phagan was there and still
you didn’t know her name or number? You tell me that this
little country boy who comes from Oak Grove, near Sandy
Springs in the northern part of this county, was lying when
he got on that stand? I’ll tell you no. Do you tell me that
little Dewey Hewell, a little girl now from the Home of the
Good Shepherd in Cincinnati, who used to work at the National
Pencil Company, who probably has lost her virtue
though she is of such tender years, was lying when she tells
you that she heard him talking to her frequently,-talked to
Mary frequently, placed his hands on her shoulder and called
her Mary ?” You tell me that that long-legged man, Gantt,
the man you tried to direct suspicion towards, the man Schiff
was so anxious to have arrested that he accompanied the
police, that you said in your telegram to your uncle, had the
case in hand and would eventually solve the mystery,-do
you tell me that Gantt has lied when he tells you that this
man Frank noticed that he knew little Mary and said to him,
“I see that you know Mary pretty well ?”
I am prepared to believe, knowing this man’s character as
shown by this evidence, that way back yonder in March, old
passion had seized him. Yesterday Mr. Rosser quoted from
Burns, and said it’s human to err; and I quote you from the
same poem, in which old Burns says that “there’s no telling
what a man will do when he has the lassie, when convenience
snug, and he has a treacherous, passionate inclination.”
There’s no telling what he will do when he’s normal, there’s
no telling what he will do when he’s like other men, but, oh!
gentlemen, there’s no telling what a pervert will do when
he’s goaded on by the unusual, extraordinary passion that
goaded on this man, Leo M. Frank, when he saw his opportunity
with this little girl in that pencil factory, when she
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Claimed He Didn’t Know Her.
You tell me that all of these people have lied,-Willie Turner
has lied? Dewey Hewell has lied? That Gantt has lied?
That Miss Ruth Robinson has lied? And even Frank, in his
statement, admits that he knew Mary well enough to know
that Gantt was familiar with her, because Chief Detective
Harry Scott was told on Monday, April 28th, that this man
Gantt was familiar with little Mary. And yet you expect an
honest jury of twelve men-although out of your own mouth
you told these detectives, whom you wired your uncle would
eventually solve the problem, you told them that this man
Gantt was so familiar with her that you directed suspicion
towards him. How did you know it if you didn’t know little
Mary? And in addition, as I have stated, you tell me that
this brilliant man had helped to make out the pay-roll for
fifty-two times and seen little Mary’s name there, and he
didn’t even know her name and had to go and get his Book
to tell whether she worked there or not? And I wouldn’t be
at all surprised, gentlemen of the jury-it’s your man
Frank’s own statement,–that shortages occurred in the cash
even after this man Gantt left,-I wouldn’t be at all surprised
if the truth of the business is that this man coveted
that little girl away back yonder in March, I wouldn’t be at
all surprised, gentlemen, and, indeed, I submit that it’s the
truth, that every one of these girls has told the truth when
they swore to you on the stand that back yonder in March,
after this little girl had come down to work on the office
floor in the metal department, that they observed this man,
Leo M. Frank, making advances towards her and using his
position as superintendent to force her to talk with him. I
wouldn’t be at all surprised if he didn’t hang around, I
wouldn’t be at all surprised if he didn’t try to get little Mary
to yield. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t look upon this
man Gantt, who was raised on an adjoining farm in Cobb
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pose which he had in hand, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised
if, instead of discharging Gantt for a one dollar shortage,
which Gantt says “I’ll give up my job rather than pay,” that
you put him out of that factory because you thought he
stood in the way of the consummation of your diabolical and
evil plans.
Laying Snare for Mary
And you say that you and Schiff made up the pay-roll Friday,
and I wouldn’t be at all surprised that, after little Mary
had gone and while you and Schiff were making up the payroll
Friday afternoon, you saw little Mary’s name and you
knew that she hadn’t been notified to come there and get her
money Friday afternoon at six o’clock, and then, as early as
three o’clock,-yes, as early as three,-knowing that this
little girl would probably come there Saturday at twelve, at
the usual hour, to get her pay, you went up and arranged
with this man Jim Conley to look out for you,-this man Jim
Conley, who had looked out for you on other occasions, who
had lockedthe door and unlocked it while you carried on your
immoral practices in that factory,-yes, at three o’clock,
when you and Schiff were so busy working on the pay-roll, I
dare say you went up there and told Jim that you wanted
him to come back Saturday but you didn’t want Darley to
know that he was there. And I wouldn’t be at all surprised
if it were not true that this little Helen Ferguson, the friend
of Mary Phagan, who had often gotten Mary’s pay envelope
before, when she went in and asked you to let her have that
pay envelope, if you didn’t refuse because you had already
arranged with Jim to be there, and you expected to make the
final onslaught on this girl, in order to deflower and ruin her
and make her, this poor little factory girl, subservient to
your purposes.
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it’s a reasonable tale that old Jim tells you, and old Jim says
“I done it,”-not “I did it,” but “I done it” just exactly like
this brilliant factory superintendent told him. There’s your
plot. I’ll tell you, you know this thing passion is like fraud,
-it’s subtle, it moves in mysterious ways; people don’t know
what lurks in the mind of a libertine, or how anxious they
are, or how far ahead they look, and it isn’t at all improbable,
indeed, I submit to you as honest men seeking to get at
the truth, that this man, whose character was put in issue
and torn down, who refused to go into specific instances on
cross examination, if he didn’t contemplate this little girl’s
ruin and damnation it was because he was infatuated with
her and didn’t have the power to control that ungovernable
passion. There’s your plot; and it fits right in and jams
right up, and you can twist and turn and wabble as much as
you want to, but out of your own mouth, when you told
your detective, Scott, that this man Gantt was familiar with
that little girl, notwithstanding at other places in this statement
you tried to lead this jury of honest men to believe you
didn’t know her-I tell you that he did know her, and you
know that he knew her.
What are you going to believe? Has this little Ferguson
girl lied? Is this little factory girl a hair-brained fanatic
suborned to come up here and perjure herself, by John
Starnes or Black or Campbell or any of these detectives? Do
you tell me that such a thing can be done, when the State of
Georgia, under the law hasn’t a nickel that this girl could
get? I tell you, gentlemen, you know that’s a charge that
can’t stand one instant.
Conley Quoted Him Right.
Now, he says right here in his statement that he kept the
key to his cash box right there in his desk. Well, he makes
a very beautiful statement about these slips-but I’ll pass
that and come to that later. He explains why they were put
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ence that he makes to “chatting”: “I stopped that work that
I was doing that day and went to the outer office and CHATTED
with Mr. Darley and Mr. Campbell.” “I should figure
about 9:15, or a quarter to nine, Miss Mattie Smith came in
and asked for her pay envelope.” Jim is corroborated there,
he identified Miss Mattie Smith and told with particularity
what she did. He says, “I kept my cash box in the lower
drawer of the left hand side of my desk.” Jim says that’s
where he got some cash. This man also shows he took a drink
at Cruickshank’s soda fount and two or three times during
this statement he showed that he was doing at the soda fount
exactly as Jim says he was doing as they came on back from
the factory. Again he says, “but I know there was several
of them and I went on CHATTING with Mr. Montag.” I
told you I was going to read you this, and I just wanted you
to know you were going to have this out with you. Another
thing he says, “I moved the papers I brought back from
Montag’s in the folder ;” old Jim says he had the folder and
put the folder away; “I would look and see how far along
the reports were which I used in getting my financial statement
up every Saturday afternoon, and, to my surprise, I
found the sheet which contains the record of pencils packed
for the week didn’t include the report for Thursday, the day
the fiscal week ended, that’s the only part of the data that
Schiff hadn’t got up.” “A short time after they left my
office, two gentlemen came in, one of them Mr. Graham”-
Mr. Graham says that he talked to this negro down stairs;
the negro told him the way to the office, and they tried to get
around it on the idea there’s some difference in color. Well,
being in jail, gentlemen, changes the complexion of anybody.
That man was there, Graham says, Tillander says, and he
was there for what purpose? By whose request? And he
wasn’t drunk, either. And then he says “I gave the required
pay envelope to the two fathers,” this man Frank says, “I
gave the pay envelope and CHATTED with them at some
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manners of the men by whom they are employed. I tell you
that, if Frank didn’t come in contact with the people that
worked in that factory more than he would lead you to believe,
old Jim Conley never had the opportunity to pick up
words that he uses; and yet here old Jim says, and even in
his statement, even in his statement, this man uses the very
language that Jim puts in his mouth. I just picked out four
of them, in a very few pages, I don’t know how many others
there are.
“Afterwards Found Her to Be Mary Phagan.”
“Miss Hall finished her work and started to leave when
the twelve o’clock whistle blew.” Whistle blowing on a
holiday? Well, maybe it did, I’ll leave that for you to say.
Another place he says “I chatted with them:” “Entering, I
found quite a number of people, among them Darley,” etc.
“I chatted with them a few minutes,”-using the same words
Jim said he used with reference to this girl: “Miss Hall left
my office on her way home; there were in the building at
the time, Arthur White and Harry Denham and Arthur
White’s wife, on the top floor; to the best of my knowledge,
it must have been ten or fifteen minutes after Miss Hall left
my office when this little girl, whom I afterwards found to be
Mary Phagan, entered my office and asked for her pay envelope.”
“This little girl whom I afterwards found”-why
didn’t you give her her money? No, he didn’t give her her
money; he knew her all right. That child never got her
money, she never got her money, and this man Frank, when
Mrs. White came down there at 12:35, and when he jumped
and when Jim Conley was still sitting down stairs,-the one
fact in this case that must make you see that Jim Conley
didn’t do the deed,-this man Frank was at that safe then,
when he jumped and Mrs. White came up, getting out the
pay envelope of this little girl, who had gone back to the rear
to see whether the metal had come or not-not to make
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that safe and Mrs. White came in, she says he jumped. Remember
that. As she went down the stairs at 12:35 she saw
Jim Conley, or a negro who resembled him, and that’s the
one incident in this case that shows that old Jim Conley
didn’t do the deed. Then it was after this man had tipped up
and tipped back,-then it was, he had to let Mrs. White go
up. Previously he had sent up and had them to come down,
but this time he lets Mrs. White go up, and then after Mrs.
White had been up there a little while, and in order not to get
caught in the act of moving that body, because he knew Mrs.
White might come down, he knew that these men had their
lunches and would work and stay up on that floor; at 12:50,
Mrs. White says when she went down she saw Conley there,
at 12:50, and Frank was anxious to get Mrs. White out of
the building, in order that he might call Jim Conley, if Jim
had seen, and his saying that he had seen would have given
him away; then it was that he wanted to get her out of the
building, and he sent her up-stairs and then went up-stairs
to get her out and pretended to be in a big hurry to get out,
but according to her evidence, instead of going out, he didn’t
have on his coat and went back in his office and sat down at
his desk. Anxious to get out,-going to close up right now!
Now, that wasn’t the purpose.
Blow Didn’t Cause Much Blood.
Talk about no blood being found back down there? Talk
about no blood being found? Well, there’s two reasons why
there wasn’t any found: This lick the girl got on the back of
the head down there wasn’t sufficient to have caused any
great amount of blood, and if old Jim Conley hadn’t dropped
that girl as he went by the dressing room and the thing
hadn’t gone out like a sunburst all around there, like these
men describe it, there wouldn’t have been any blood. When
you assaulted her and you hit her and she fell and she was
unconscious, you gagged her with that, and then quickly you
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and you got the cord and in order to save this reputation
which you had among the members of the B’nai B’rith, in
order to save, not your character because you never had it,
but in order to save the reputation with the Haases and the
Montags and the members of Doctor Marx’s church and the
members of the B’nai B’rith and your kinfolks in Brooklyn,
rich and poor, and in Athens, then it was that you got the
cord and fixed the little girl whom you had assaulted, who
wouldn’t yield to your proposals, to save your reputation,
because dead people tell no tales, dead people can’t talk. And
you talk about George Kendley saying that he would be one
to lead a riot, and you talk about your ability to run George
Kendley with a fan or a corn shuck. I tell you Frank knew
and you know that there would have been men who would
have sprung up in this town, had that little girl lived to tell
the tale of that brutal assault, that would have run over ten
thousand men like you, would have stormed the jail or done
anything. It oughtn’t to be, because that thing ought to be
left to be threshed out before an upright Court and an honest
jury.
Her Resistance Brought Death.
But this man Frank knew,-he didn’t expect her to turn
him down, he paved the way, he had set the snare and he
thought that this poor little girl would yield to his importunities,
but, ah! thank God, she was made of that kind of
stuff to which you are a stranger, and she resisted, she
wouldn’t yield, you couldn’t control your passion and you
struck her and you ravished her, she was unconscious, you
gagged her and you choked her. Then you got Mrs. White
out, the woman that saw you jump at 12:35 when you were
there fixing to see about little Mary’s pay envelope, which
you never did give the poor child. And you fussed a good
deal about that pocket book, that mesh bag; I wouldn’t be at
all surprised if old Jim’s statement that Frank had that
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trial, just exactly like that plant of old Newt Lee’s shirt and
just exactly like that club and just exactly like these spots
these men found on May 15th around that scuttle hole. It
worried you too much, it worried you too much, it disconcerted
your plans. The thing had already been done when
Mrs. White got back there at 12:35 and old Jim Conley was
still sitting down there waiting patiently for the signal that
had been agreed upon, waiting patiently for the signals that
you had used when some other women from the fourth floor
and other people had been down there to meet you Saturdays
and holidays. And the first thing he did after he had gagged
her with a piece of her underskirt, torn from her own underskirt,
was to tip up to the front, where he knew the cords
hung, and come back down there and choke that poor little
child to death. You tell me that she wasn’t ravished? I ask
you to look at the blood-you tell me that that little child
wasn’t ravished? I ask you to look at the drawers, that
were torn, I ask you to look at the blood on the drawers, I ask
you to look at the thing that held up the stockings. Oh, no,
there was no spermatazoan and there was no semen, that’s
true; but as sure as you are born, that man is not like other
men. He saw this girl, he coveted her; others without her
stamina and her character had yielded to his lust, but she
denied him, and when she did, not being like other men, he
struck her, he gagged her, he choked her; and then able cotnsel
go through the farce of showing that he had no marks
on his person! Durant didn’t have any marks on his person,
either. He didn’t give her time to put marks on his person,
but in his shirt sleeves, goaded on by an uncontrollable passion,
this little girl gave up her life in defense of that which
is dearer than life, and you know it.
Absurd Argument of Paint.
Why this man says he had an impression of a female voice
saying something. How unjust! This little girl had evidently-
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had appeared on the pay-roll, had evidently worked in the
metal department, and never was such a farce enacted in the
courthouse as this effort on the part of able counsel to make
it appear that that wasn’t blood up there on that floor. Absurd!
Not satisfied with the absurdity of the contention that
it’s paint, that it’s cat’s blood, rat’s blood, varnish, they
bring in this fellow Lee, who perjures himself to say that
that man stood there just letting the blood drip. Old man
Starnes tells you that they saw the blood there and chipped
it up, and saw the blood right along on the route towards
the elevator; Jim Conley tells you that right there is where
he dropped the head so hard, and where Frank came and
took hold and caught the feet.
Every person that described that blood and its appearance
bears it out that it was caused by dropping, because it
was spattered,—one big spot here and other little ones
around it,-and if human testimony is to be believed, you
know that was blood-that that was blood and not paint,
you know that it was the blood of Mary Phagan and not the
blood of Duffy. Duffy says so. You know that it was the
blood of Mary Phagan because it corresponds with the manner
in which Jim Conley says he dropped the body. You
know it’s blood because Chief Beavers saw blood there. It
spattered towards the dressing room; you know it was blood
because Starnes says he saw it was blood and he saw that
the haskoline had been put over it,–and I’m going to read
you this man’s statement, too, unless I give out physically,
about this haskoline, it’s the purest subterfuge that ever a
man sought to palm off on an honest jury.
More Blood Near Elevator.
Starnes tells you that “I found more blood fifty feet
nearer the elevator on a nail.” Barrett,–Christopher Columbus
Barrett, if you will, that discovered the hair that
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had had time to write a reward,-Barrett, who was not
caught in a single lie, Barrett, who though he works for the
National Pencil Company, had the manhood to stand up-
I trust him and put him up against this man Holloway, who
says that Jim Conley was his nigger. This man Holloway,
who made a statement to me in my office, when he didn’t
see the purpose and the import arid the force of the suggestion
that this elevator key, after the elevator box was
locked, was always put in Frank’s office, but when it became
apparent that too many people saw this man Frank
Sunday morning go there and turn the lever in the power
box, without going to his office to get the key, then it was
that this man Holloway, who we put up and for whose veracity
we vouched and who betrayed us and entrapped us,
after he saw the force of the suggestion, after he had told
us that always, without exception, he had locked this elevator
box himself and put the key in Frank’s office, throws
us down and by his own affidavit as read in your presence
here, made at a time when he didn’t see the importance
of the proposition, changed his evidence and perjured himself
either to have this jury acquit this guilty defendant, his
boss and employer, or to get the reward for the conviction
of “his nigger,” Jim Conley.
Contrast his with Barrett,-Barrett, the man who discovered
the hair on his machine early in the morning and
whose attention was called to this blood there by the dressing
room at a time when no reward is shown to have been
offered and indeed, when you know that no reward was offered
because no executive of this State or of this City offered
any reward during Sunday or as early as seven or
eight o’clock Monday morning. I say to you that this man
Barrett stands an oasis in a mighty desert, standing up for
truth and right and telling it, though his own job is at
stake, and you know it. And you may fling your charges of
perjury just as far as you want to, but I tell you right now,
gentlemen, that Barrett, when he swore that he found
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body. told the truth; and when he said he found that hair
on that machine, I tell you Barrett told the truth, and if
there be a man in this town that rightly deserves and who
ought to receive the rewards, if there are any, it’s this poor
employee of the National Pencil Company, who had the
manhood and the courage to tell the truth, and I hope if
there be such a thing as a reward to be given to anybody,
that this man Barrett gets it. But not a single thing did
Barrett swear but that either didn’t occur before any rewards
were offered, or that weren’t substantiated by four
and five of the most reputable witnesses that could be
found. And Barrett didn’t make his discoveries May 15th,
either, Barrett made them Monday morning, April 28th,
and they haven’t any resemblance to a plant. They come so
clean and so natural that the most warped and the most biased
must recognize the fact that Barrett has told the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Others Saw Blood, Too.
But you can wipe Barrett out of this case and still you
have got an abundance of firm ground upon which to stand.
Barrett isn’t shown to have lied, dodged or equivocated.
Mrs. Jefferson,–and I’m only going to give you a few of
the people that saw blood there-Mrs. Jefferson saw dark
red spot about as large as a fan, and in her opinion, it was
blood, and it was blood. Mel Stanford says he saw the blood
at the dressing room Monday, dark spots that looked exactly
like blood and this white stuff, haskoline, had been smeared
over it. “It was not there Friday. I know,” said Mel
Stanford, “because I swept the floor Friday at that place.
The white substance appeared to have been swept over with
a coarse broom; we have such a broom, but the one used by
me Friday in sweeping over that identical spot was of finer
straw; the spots were dry and the dark led right up here
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Jim Conley saw her go up and didn’t see her go down.
Necessary, absolutely necessary, that this man should put
her where he said in his telegram or letter the body was
found. The discovery made Monday by Barrett and Jefferson
and Mel Stanford and seen by Beavers and Starnes,
but not only that, but reinforced by Darley, for Darley says
“I saw what appeared to be blood spots at the dressing
room, a white substance had been smeared over it, as if to
hide it.” And Quinn says “The spots I saw at or near the
dressing room looked like blood to me.”
Sometimes you have got to go into the enemy’s camp to
get ammunition. It’s a mighty dangerous proposition,-
Doctor Connally knows what a dangerous proposition it is
to go into the enemy’s camp to get ammunition, he has been
an old soldier and he will tell you that there is no more dangerous
proposition,-I expect Mr. Mangum knows something
about it, this going into the enemy’s camp to get ammunition;
and yet in this case, conscious of the fact that
we were right, having Darley tied up with an affidavit, we
dared to go right into the enemy’s camp, and there we got
the best evidence of the fact that Frank was more nervous
than he had ever been known to be except on two occasions,
one when he had seen a little child killed, and the other when
he and his boss had had a falling out-this man Montag, who
was so afraid something was going to be twisted in this case
-and also Darley saw the blood. It was a mighty hard pill
for Darley, it was an awful hard situation for him, but we
drove it up to him and he dared not go back on the affidavit
which he had signed, though he did modify his statements.
Blood Wasn’t There Friday.
All right; I’m not going to call over all these other people,-
Mrs. Small and others,-though Mrs. Carson denied
it, she went there,-who claimed to have seen that blood.
But to cap it all, Mel Stanford says “I swept the floor,”-
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Friday.” Why? Because old Jim, when he went to move
that body, put it there Saturday. To cap it all, Doctor Claud
Smith, the City Bacteriologist, says “I analyzed it and I tell
you that I found blood corpuscles.” And now you come in
with the proposition that that blood had been there ever
since that machinist Lee saw that fellow Duffy stand there
with his finger cut and let it spout out at the end,-a thing
Duffy says never happened, and you know never happened,
and we called on you to produce the paper this man Lee
said he signed and you can’t do it, because he never signed
one. Not only that, but your own employee, your own witness,
Mary Pirks, your own witness, Joel Fuss, your own
witness Magnolia Kennedy, your own witness Wade Campbell,
and your own iitness Schiff and others whose names
are too numerous to take up your valuable time to mention,
all say that they saw this great big spot there covered over
with something white, which we know to have been haskoline.
Stains at Scuttle Hole a “Plant.”
Now, Harry Scott didn’t manipulate exactly right, so they
got them some new Richmonds and put them in the field,
and this fellow Pierce,–and where is Pierce? Echo answers
where? And where, oh, where, is Whitfield? And
echo answers where? The only man you bring in here is
this man McWorth. Starnes denies, Black denies, Scott denies,
every witness put on the stand denies, that around
that scuttle hole anything was seen immediately after that
murder. Don’t you know that Frank, who went through
that factory,-that Schiff, Darley, Holloway, don’t you
know that they would have been only too glad to have reported
to Frank that blood spots had been found around
that scuttle hole, and don’t you know that Frank would have
rushed to get his detective Scott to put the police in charge
of the information that blood had been found here? But
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Holloway had arrested him, after this man Holloway had
said that Jim was “his nigger,” realizing the desperation of
the situation, realizing that something had to be forthcoming
to bolster up the charge that Conley did it, then it was
and not until then that this man McWorth, after he had
gone looking through the factory for a whole day, at about
3:30 o’clock saw seven large stains, found the envelope and
stick right there in the corner.
Now, he found too much, didn’t he? Wasn’t that a little
too much? Is there a man on this jury that believes that
all these officers looking as they did there, through that factory,
going down in this basement there through that very
scuttle hole, would have overlooked seven large stains which
were not found there until May 15th? Scott said “I looked
there just after the murder, made search at the scuttle
hole, didn’t see blood spots there.” Starnes says the same,
Rosser says the same, and these men Mel Stanford and
Darley both say they had been cleaning up all that very area
May 3rd, and yet the men who cleaned up and all these men
never saw them and never even found the envelope or the
stick. Why it’s just in keeping with that plant of the shirt
at Newt Lee’s house. I don’t care how much you mix this
man Black. Boots Rogers says, Darley says, that Sunday
morning, when suspicion pointed towards this man Newt
Lee, that this man Frank, the brilliant Cornell graduate and
the man who was so capable at making figures that certain
parts of his work have never been fixed since he left
that factory, when he knew a girl had been murdered down
stairs, when he knew that suspicion pointed towards Newt
Lee, took that slip out of the clock and stood there, looked
at it, told those men, in answer to a question, if Newt Lee
would have had time to have left and gone home after he
killed that girl and changed his clothing, that old Newt
didn’t have the time.
Threw Suspicion on Newt Lee.
Why did he say it then? Because he knew that Lanford

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and Black and the other detectives who were there would
have examined that slip for themselves, then and there, and
would have seen that these punches were regular or irregular.
But he stood there, and because he knew he would
be detected if he tried to palm off a fraud at that time and
place, this man of keen perception, this man who is quick
at figures, this Cornell graduate of high standing, looks over.
those figures which register the punches for simply twelve
hours,-not quite twelve hours,-in that presence, surrounded
by those men, told them that Newt Lee wouldn’t
have had the time; but, ah! Monday afternoon, when he
sees that there isn’t enough evidence against Newt Lee, and
that the thing ain’t working quite as nicely against this man
Gantt, who he told was familiar with this little girl, Mary
Phagan, and then he suddenly proposes, after a conference
with his astute counsel, Mr. Haas, that “you go out to my
house and make a search,” and then, in the same breath and
at the same time, he shrewdly and adroitly suggests to
Black that Newt Lee, he has suddenly discovered, had time
to go out to his house, and forthwith, early Tuesday morning,
John Black, not having been there before because Leo
M. Frank told him that Newt Lee didn’t have time to go
out to his house, but after the information comes in then
Tuesday morning, John Black puts out and goes to old
Newt’s house and finds a shirt; that’s a plant as sure as
the enevelope is a plant, as the stick is a plant, as the spots
around the scuttle hole. And the man that did his job, did
it too well; he gets a shirt that has the odor of blood, but
one that has none of the scent of the negro Newt Lee in the
armpit. He puts it, not on one side, as any man moving a
body would necessarily have done, but he smears it on both
sides, and this carries with it, as you as honest men must
know, unmistakable evidence of the fact that somebody
planted that shirt sometime Monday, at whose instance and
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Club and Shirt Both “Plants.”
And that club business: Doctor Harris says that that
wound could not have been done with that club, and Doctor
Hurt says it could not have been done with that club,
and not a doctor of all the numerous doctors, good men and
good doctors as they are for some purposes, ever denies it.
A physical examination of that shirt shows you that it
wasn’t on the person when that blood got on it,-there is as
much blood on the inside or the under side that didn’t come
through to the outside. Lee didn’t deny the shirt, but he
never did say that it was his shirt. Cornered up as he was,
not a negro, one negro in a thousand, that wouldn’t have
denied the ownership of that shirt, but old Lee was too honest
to say that it wasn’t his shirt,-he didn’t remember it;
and you don’t know whether it was his or not.
Now this! envelope and this stick is found at the radiator,
at the scuttle hole, May 15th, after the place had been
cleaned up, according to Darley and other witnesses, including
Mel Stanford, and after, as I said, it had been thoroughly
searched by Scott, Campbell, Rosser, Starnes and I don’t
know how many others; and then you say that these things
weren’t a part and parcel of the same scheme that caused
this man to have Conley write those notes planted by the
body to draw attention away from him. Gentlemen, you
can’t get away from the fact that blood was there, you can’t
do it; now, can you? Just as honest men, now, honest men
can you get away from that? If human testimony is to be
believed, you’ve got to recognize the fact that blood was on
the second floor, and that there was no blood at the scuttle
hole; that the shirt and the club and the spots were plants.
“She had left the plant five minutes when Lemmie Quinn,
the foreman of that plant, came in and told me I couldn’t
keep him away from the factory even though it was a holiday,
at which time I smiled and kept on working.” Smiled
and kept on working! “I wanted to know when they would
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and she answered me back that she would have lunch immediately
and for me to come right away. I then gathered
my papers together and went upstairs to see the boys on the
top floor; this must have been, since I just looked at my
watch, ten minutes to one. Mrs. White states it was 12:35,
that she passed by and saw me, that’s possibly true, I have
no recollection about it, perhaps her recollection is better
than mine.” She remembered it very well.
McKnight Watched From Kitchen.
Now, this Minola McKnight business. Isn’t it strange
that this man Albert, her husband, would go up there and
tell that kind of a tale if there wasn’t some truth in it?
Isn’t it strange that Minola herself, in the tale that they
seek to have you believe was a lie, should have been sustained
by Mrs. Selig, when she tells you “Yes, I gave her
$5.00 to go get some change,” and Mrs. Frank gave her a
hat? Do you believe that this husband of hers didn’t see
that man Frank when, after this murder, he went home and
was anxious to see how he looked in the glass, but as the
people had gone to the opera, anxious to get back to keep
his engagement with Jim Conley? And all this talk about
Mrs. Selig, about this thing not having been changed. Gentlemen,
are you just going to swallow that kind of stuff
without using your knowledge of human nature? And you
tried to mix old Albert up, and right here, I’m going to read
you a little bit about Albert’s evidence: “Yes sir, he came
in close to 1:30, I guess, something like that.” “Did he or
not eat anything?” “No sir, not at that time, he didn’t, he
came in and went to the sideboard in the dining room and
stood there a few minutes, then he goes out and catches the
car.” ‘”How long did he stay at the house ?” “I suppose he
stayed there five or ten minutes.” “About five or ten minutes
?” “About five or ten minutes.” “What did he do at
the sideboard ?” “I didn’t see him do anything at the sideboard.”
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dining room?” These gentlemen asked him, and Albert
said, “Yes, this here dining room was open ;” yes, they didn’t
keep it shut all the time, said Albert. “And you know he
didn’t eat anything in that dining room ?” “Yes, I know he
didn’t eat.”
Told Truth to Craven.
And this is the tale that had been told Craven by the
husband of Minola McKnight, and Minola went down there
and in the presence of her counsel, stated these things to
these officers and she never would have done it if it hadn’t
been the truth. Gordon was down there, and he could have
said-and if he hadn’t said it then he’s unworthy of the name
of lawyer-”Minola, if these things aren’t true, don’t you
put your name to it, if you do you are liable to go to the penitentiary
for false swearing; if you don’t, the writ of habeas
corpus is guaranteed to every man, and in less than two
hours, by an order of a judge of the Superior Court I’ll have
you out of here.” And yet, George Gordon, with his knowledge
of the law, with his knowledge of his client’s rights,
sits there and lets Minola McKnight, the cook, who is sustained
in the statement that she then made but which here
in this presence she repudiated, corroborated by her hus-,
band and sustained in many particulars by the Seligs themselves,-
George Gordon sat there and let her put her fist to
that paper, swearing to a lie that might send her to the peni.
tentiary, and he was her lawyer and could have released het
from that prison by a writ of habeas corpus as quick as he
could have gotten to a judge, because any judge that fails to
hear a writ of habeas corpus immediately, is subject to damages
and impeachment.
Couldn’t Break Down McKnight Evidence.
But Craven was there and Albert was there and this woman,
McKnight, sitting there in the presence of her lawyer,
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that these men wanted in here all the time, but never could
get until he got on that stand and swore that I had said
a thing that you saw by the questions that I asked him never
did occur, that I was afraid that I would get in bad with the
detectives-I would get in bad with them if I would try to
run their business, and I never will get in bad with them because
I never expect to undertake to run their business; I’ve
got as much as I can say grace over to attend to my own
business. And you go out there, now, and bring in Julius
Fisher and a photographer, and all these people, and try to
prove this negro Albert McKnight lied, and by the mere
movement of that sideboard, which Mrs. Selig in her evidence
says, even, every time they swept it was put just exactly
back in the same place,-then you try to break down
Albert McKnight’s evidence with that. Why, gentlemen, Albert
says that that sideboard had been moved, and you know
it had been moved, and Albert McKnight stood, not where
these gentlemen sought to put him, but at a place where he
could see this man Frank, who came home, there sometime,
as Albert says, between one and two o’clock, after he had
murdered the girl, and didn’t eat his dinner, but hurried
back to the factory to keep his engagement with Jim Conley,
who had promised to come back and burn her body in the
furnace.
Minola Sustained Her Husband.
You tell me that Albert would have told that lie? You tell
me that Albert’s wife, in the presence of Albert and Craven
and Pickett, honorable, upright men, who worked for the
Beck & Gregg Company, the same firm that Albert McKnight
works at,7-and do you tell me that George Gordon, a man
who poses as an attorney, who wants to protect the rights of
his client, as he would have you see, sat there in that presence
and allowed this woman, for her husband, to put her
fist to a paper and swear to it which would consign her to the
penitentiary? I tell you that that thing never happened, and
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ing this man, her husband, Albert, sustained as she is by the
Seligs, biased and prejudiced and willing to protect their sonin-
law as they were, is because it was the embodiment of the
truth and nothing but the truth; and as honest, unprejudiced,
unbiased men, you know it.
And you know he didn’t eat anything in that dining room,
yes, I know he didn’t eat. “Don’t you know you can’t sit in
that dining room,’ says Mr. Arnold, “and don’t you know you
can’t see from the kitchen into the dining room, you know
that, don’t you ?” “Yes sir, you certainly can see”; and the
very evidence of the photographs and Julius Fisher and others
who came here, after that sideboard had been moved, sustains
Albert McKnight, and shows that once that sideboard
is adjusted, you could see, as Albert says, and he did see because
he would have never told that tale unless he had been
there and seen it. “You can see in there ?” “Yes sir, you
can see; look in the mirror in the corner and see all over that
dining room”; that’s what Albert swore. And if there’s
anybody in the world that knows how to get up a plan to see
from the kitchen into the dining room or to hear what’s going
on among the white folks in the dining room, it’s a negro.
And Albert told too straight a tale, he told too reasonable
a tale. “Don’t you know that you can’t look in the mirror
in the corner and see it?” Albert says “I did do it, I
stayed there about five or ten minutes while he was there and
looked in that mirror at him, Mr. Frank.” “You stayed there
in that kitchen on that occasion and looked in the mirror at
him that five or ten minutes he stayed there?” “Yes sir.”
“By looking in that mirror you can see what’s going on in
that room ?” “You can see if they are eating at the table.”
“Don’t you know that you can’t see in that room by looking
into that mirror?” “Yes sir, you can see in there.” “You
can see all over the room ?”-tried to make him say that-
“No, not all over it exactly.” “But you can see even when
they are eating at the table ?” “You can look in that mirror
and see in the sitting room and through that dining room,”
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was in the dining room in his life. That’s reasonable. “You
were right side of the back door of the kitchen ?” “Yes sir.”
“Let me give you a little drawing; now were you sitting right
in front of that little hallway between the two rooms, in front
of it ?” Says Albert, “Not exactly.” “You were sitting right
here against the wall, weren’t you ?” And he said “Yes sir.”
“I don’t know whether it’s fair or not,-that’s a fair statement?”
And Albert says, “I don’t know whether it’s fair
or not, but I know I saw Leo M. Frank come in there some
time between one and two o’clock Saturday, April 26th, and
I know he didn’t stay but about ten minutes and left to go to
town.” And he tells you the way in which he left, and Frank
in his statement says that, while he didn’t get on that car, he
went in such a direction as Albert McKnight might have
naturally supposed he went down there. “Minola she went in
there but stayed only a minute or two in the dining room, I
never looked at the clock.” “You don’t know exactly what
time ?” “No, but I know it was obliged to have been something
after one when Mr. Frank came there and he came in
and went before the sideboard and then went back to town.”
And he says “I don’t know exactly whether he did or not because
I have never been in the house no further than the
cook room.” Then he says “Who did you tell ?” “I told Mr.
Craven.” “Who is Mr. Craven?” “He is the boss at the plow
department at the Beck & Gregg Hardware Company”; and
that’s the way the detectives got hold of it, and try all you
will to break old Albert down, I submit to you, gentlemen,
that he has told the absolute truth and stands unimpeached.
(At this point, a recess was taken until Monday,
August 25, 1913, at 9 A. M.)
Monday, August 25th, 1913, 9:00 A. M.
May it please Your Honor and Gentlemen of the Jury:
I regretted more than you the necessity for your being carried
over another week or, rather, another Sunday. I was
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my throat and voice are in such shape that I fear I will not be
able to do the case the justice that it demands. I thought
myself, had we not had the adjournment that I might
have been able to finish my speech and His Honor charge
you Saturday afternoon but I am sure such would not have
been the case.
Analysis of Frank’s Statement.
When we closed on Saturday, I was just completing a brief
analysis of the statement made by this defendant. I’m not
going into any exhaustive analysis of that statement, because
it is not necessary to further inconvenience you and I
haven’t the physical strength, but there is certain language
and certain statements and assertions made in this statement
by this defendant which merit some consideration.
This defendant stated to you, after His Honor had excluded
our evidence and properly, I think, that his wife visited
him at the police station. He says that she was there
almost in hysterics, having been brought there by her father
and two brothers-in-law and Rabbi Marx-no, “Rabbi Marx
was with me, I consulted with him as to the advisability of
allowing my dear wife to come up to the top floor to see
those surroundings, city detectives, reporters and snap-shotters.”
He doesn’t prove that by a living soul and relies merely
upon his own statement. If they could have proven it by
Rabbi Marx, who was there and advised him, why didn’t they
do it? Do you tell me that there lives a true wife, conscious
of her husband’s innocence, that wouldn’t have gone through
snapshotters, reporters and everything else, .to have seen
him-
Tilt Between Attorneys.
Mr. Arnold: I must object to as unfair and outrageous
an argument as that, that his wife didn’t go there
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heard, and I can’t object to it, but I do object to his
making any allusion to the failure of the wife to go and
see him; it’s unfair, it isn’t the way to treat a man on
trial for his life.
The Court: Is there any evidence to that effect?
Mr. Dorsey: Here is the statement I have read.
MAr. Arnold: I object to his drawing any conclusions
from his wife going or not going, one way or the other,
it’s an outrage upon law and decency and fairness.
The Court: Whatever was in the evidence or the
statement I must allow it.
Mr. Dorsey: “Let the galled jade wince”-
Mr. Arnold: I object to that, I’m not a “galled jade,”
and I’ve got a right to object. I’m not galled at all, and
that statement is entirely uncalled for.
The Court: He has got the right to interrupt you.
Mr. Dorsey: You’ve had your speech-
Mr. Rosser: And we never had any such dirty
speech as that, either.
Mr. Dorsey: I object to his remark, Your Honor, I
have a right to argue this case-
Mr. Rosser: I said that remark he made about Mr.
Arnold, and Your Honor said it was correct; I’m not
criticizing his speech, I don’t care about that.
Why Didn’t Wife Go to Him?
Frank said that his wife never went back there because
she was afraid that the snapshotters would get her picturebecause
she didn’t want to go through the line of snapshotters.
I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, that there never lived
a woman, conscious of the rectitude and innocence of her
husband, who wouldn’t have gone to him through snapshotters,
reporters and over the advice of any Rabbi under the
sun. And you know it. Frank says in his statement with
reference to these notes written by Conley, “I said I know he
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said it? “I received many notes from him asking me to loan
him money, I have received too many notes from him not to
know that he can write.” In other words, says Frank, in his
statement, I have received notes signed with his name, purporting
to have been written by him, and he says they were
written by a pencil. Frank says he said “I told them if you
will look in the drawer in the safe you will find the card of a
jeweler from whom Conley bought a watch on the instalment
plan.” He corroborates Conley there, with reference
to the watch incident and what occurred there in his office
when Conley told him not to take any more money out.
“Now, perhaps if you go to that jeweler you may find some
sort of receipt that Conley had to give and be able to prove
that Conley can write.” Scott says that no such thing ever
happened. But if Frank knew so well that this man Conley
could write, in the name of fairness why didn’t Frank, when
he saw those notes at the Police Station, found beside this
dead body, then and there say “this is the writing of James
Conley ?” Why didn’t he do it? Scott denies that any such
thing happened, or that they came into possession of any information
from Frank that led to knowledge on their part
that this man Conley could write. And up to the time that
they discovered that this man Conley could write, this man
had kept his mouth sealed and it was only the knowledge on
the part of the detectives and the knowledge on the part of
Conley that the detectives knew he was lying about his ability
to write, that forced him to make the first admission that
he was connected with this crime. He says he knew that
that Conley could write. Why, then, did he keep his mouth
shut until the detectives discovered it, when he knew that
the notes found beside that poor girl’s body was the one key
that was going to unlock the Phagan mystery?
Knew Conley Could Write.
You know why. Ah, you did know that Conley could
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you, through which you sought to place the responsibility
for this crime on another man, but you knew it because he
checked up the boxes of pencils, and he had written you
numerous notes to get money from you, just like he borrowed
money from those other people in that factory. You
knew that the most powerful fact that could be brought to
light showing who committed this dastardly crime was to
find who penned the notes placed with the body; and yet, although
you saw them, according to your own statement, at
Police Headquarters and saw them there the very Sunday
morning that the crime was committed, not a word, not a
word, although the notes themselves said that the crime was
done by a negro. It is not necessary to discuss that further.
Frank says, with reference to this visit of Conley to the
factory, after Conley had gone through over yonder and
demonstrated in detail, as told you by Branch, and in the
same length of time and almost to the minute that Conley
himself says it took, too, though Conley only knows the clock
registered four minutes to one and don’t know anything
about the balance of the time, he says, with reference to the
visit of Conley to the jail, when Conley wanted to confront
him, “I told them if they got the permission, I told them
through my friend Mr. Klein, that if they got the permission
of Mr. Rosser to come, I would speak to them, would speak
to Conley and face him or anything they wanted, if they got
the permission of Mr. Rosser. Mr. Rosser was on that day
up at Tallulah Falls trying a case.” But Mr. Rosser got back,
didn’t he? Mr. Rosser didn’t remain at Tallulah Falls.
Frank Woudn’t Confront Conley.
I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, measuring my words as
I utter them, and if you have got sense enough to get out of
a shower of rain you know it’s true, that never in the history
of the Anglo-Saxon race, never in the history of the African
race in America, never in the history of any other race, did
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that man decline to face him. And there never lived within
the State of Georgia, a lawyer with one-half the ability of Mr.
Luther Rosser, who possessed a consciousness of his client’s
innocence, that wouldn’t have said “Let this ignorant negro
confront my innocent client.” If there be a negro who accuses
me of a crime of which I am innocent, I tell you, and
you know it’s true, I’m going to confront him, even before
my attorney, no matter who he is, returns from Tallulah
Falls, and if not then, I tell you just as soon as that attorney
does return, I’m going to see that that negro is brought into
my presence and permitted to set forth his accusations. You
make much here of the fact that you didn’t know what this
man Conley was going to say when he got on the stand.
You could have known it, but you dared not do it.
Mr. Rosser: May it please the Court, that’s an untrue
statement; at that time, when he proposed to go
through that dirty farce, with a dirty negro, with a
crowd of policemen, confronting this man, he made his
first statement,-his last statement, he said, and these
addendas nobody ever dreamed of them, and Frank had
no chance to meet them; that’s the truth. You ought to
tell the truth, if a man is involved for his life; that’s the
truth.
Mr. Dorsey: It don’t make any difference about your
addendas, and you may get up here just as much as
you want to, but I’m going to put it right up to this
jury-
Mr. Rosser: May it please the Court, have I got the
right to interrupt him when he mis-states the facts?
The Court: Whenever he goes outside of the record.
Mr. Rosser: Has he got the right to comment that I
haven’t exercised my reasonable rights?
The Court: No sir, not if he has done that.
Mr. Rosser: Nobody has got a right to comment on
the fact that I have made a reasonable objection.
Mr. Dorsey: But I’m inside of the record, and you

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know it, and the jury knows it. I said, may it please
Your Honor, that this man Frank declined to be confronted
by this man Conley.
Mr. Rosser: That isn’t what I objected to; he said
that at that meeting that was proposed by Conley, as
he says, but really proposed by the detectives, when I
was out of the city, that if that had been met, I would
have known Conley’s statement, and that’s not true; I
would not have been any wiser about his statement than
I was here the other day.
The Court: You can comment upon the fact that he
refused to meet Frank or Frank refused to meet him,
and at the time he did it, he was out of the city.
Mr. Arnold: We did object to that evidence, Your
Honor, but Your Honor let that in.
The Court: I know; go on.
Mr. Dorsey: They see the force of it.
Mr. Rosser: Is that a fair comment, Your Honor, if
I make a reasonable objection, to say that we see the
force of it ?
The Court: I don’t think that, in reply to your objection,
is a fair statement.
Mr. Dorsey: Now, may it please Your Honor, if they
don’t see the force of it, you do-
Mr. Rosser: I want to know, is Your Honor’s ruling
to be absolutely disregarded like that?
The Court: Mr. Dorsey, stay inside of the record,
and quit commenting on what they say and do.
Mr. Dorsey: I am inside of the record, and Your
Honor knows that’s an entirely proper comment.
Mr. Rosser: Your Honor rules-he says one thing
and then says Your Honor knows better-
Mr. Dorsey: Your Honor knows I have got a right to
comment on the conduct of this defendant.
The Court: Of course, you have, but when they get
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ment on their objections as they are making them to the
Court.
Mr. Dorsey: I don’t?
The Court: No, I don’t think so.
Mr. Dorsey: Isn’t everything that occurs in the
presence of the Court the subject matter for comment?
The Court: No, I don’t think you can comment on
these things. You can comment on any conduct within
the province of this trial, but if he makes an objection
that’s sustained, why, then, you can’t comment on that.
Mr. Dorsey: Does Your Honor say I’m outside of the
record ?
The Court: No, I don’t, but I say this, you can comment
on the fact that Frank refused to meet this man,
if that’s in the record, you have a right to do that.
If Innocent, Would Have Faced Conley.
Mr. Dorsey: This man Frank, a graduate of Cornell, the
superintendent of the pencil factory, so anxious to ferret
out this murder that he had phoned Schiff three times on
Monday, April 28th, to employ the Pinkerton Detective
Agency, this white man refused to meet this ignorant negro,
Jim Conley. He refused upon the flimsy pretext that his
counsel was out of town, but when his counsel returned,
when he had the opportunity to know at least something of
the accusations that Conley brought against this man, he
dared not let him meet him. It is unnecessary to take up
time discussing that. You tell me that the weakest among
you, if you were innocent and a man of black skin charges
you with an infamous murder, that any lawyer, Rosser or
anybody else, could keep you from confronting him and nailing
the lie? No lawyer on earth, no lawyer that ever lived in
any age or any clime could prevent me, if I were innocent,
from confronting a man who accused me wrongfully, be he
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Tried to Hang Newt Lee.
And you went in and interviewed Newt Lee down yonder at
twelve o’clock, Tuesday night, April 29th. And what did you
do? Did you act like a man who wanted to get at the truth,
who didn’t know it and wanted to get at the truth? Ah, no.
Instead of going into that room and taking up with this negro
Newt Lee, the man towards whom you had directed suspicion
infamously to save your own neck, a man that you
would have seen hung on the gallows in order to save your
reputation with the people on Washington street and the
members of the B’nai B’rith, did you make an earnest, honest,
conscientious effort, as an innocent employer would with
his employee, to get at the truth?
No; according to Lee, you hung your head and quizzed him
not, but predicted that both Lee and you would go to hell if
Lee continued to tell the story which he tells even until this
good day: and then in your statement here, try to make it
appear that your detective Scott and old John Black concocted
a scheme against you and lied as to what occurred on
that Tuesday night. The reason why Frank didn’t put it up
to Newt Lee and try to get Newt Lee to tell him how that
murder occurred and what he knew about it, was because
Frank knew that Lee was innocent, that he was the murderer
and that he was adding to the dastardly crime of assault
upon the virtue of this girl, was adding to the crime of murder
of this girl, another infamous effort to send this negro to
the gallows, in order to save his reputation and neck.
Listen at this-he’s smart, and just listen at how, in his
statement, he qualifies and fixes it up so that, when we come
back with rebuttal, the technical laws will protect him:
“They (meaning the detectives) stress the possibility of
couples having been let into the factory at night”-by night
watchmen? No,–”By night Watchman Newt Lee.” Lee
hadn’t been there but two or three weeks,-three weeks.
Frank could have told you that the detectives stressed the
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nights, at all times and at any time when other night watchmen
were there, but Newt Lee, having been there but three
weeks, he effectively shuts off the State from impeaching his
statement or contradicting it, and therefore, he tells you
that the detectives stressed the fact that couples had been
in here while the night watchman, Newt Lee, was watching,
-and Newt hadn’t been there but three weeks.
That wasn’t the period, that wasn’t the time. During
that three weeks that old Newt was night watching, there
wasn’t but one person for whom your passion burned, and
that was Mary Phagan. And she wouldn’t meet you, and
she didn’t meet you any time during that period that Newt
Lee as night watching. But in the summer previous, when
Dalton was seen to go there, if it be not true that couples
were admitted, why didn’t you make the bold, emphatic,
challenging statement that at no time were couples ever admitted?
And then you tell me that that’s a good statement
and a fair statement and a frank statement?
Frank’s Statements Not Substantiated.
Now, another thing. Listen at this-I read from the defendant’s
statement: “Now, with reference to these spots
that are claimed to be blood and that Mr. Barrett found, I
don’t claim they are not blood, they may have been, they
were right close to the ladies’ dressing room, and we have
accidents there, and by the way, in reference to those accidents,
the accidents of which we have records are not the
only accidents that have happened there. Now, we use paint
and varnish around there, a great deal of it, and while I
don’t say that this is not blood, it may be, but it could also
have been paint; I have seen the girls drop bottles of paint
and varnish and have them break there on the floor, I have
seen that happen right close to that spot. If that had been
fresh red paint or if it had been fresh red blood and that
haskoline compound, that soap in it which is a great solvent,
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shown up white, as it showed up then, but it would have
showed up either pink or red.”
Haskoline Smeared Over Blood.
Now, first, contrast that statement for a moment with
this statement with reference to the condition of the floor
where Barrett worked. There he says there wasn’t a spot,
much less a blood spot,-”looked at the machinery and the
lathe, looked at the table on which the lathe stands and the
the lathe bed and the floor underneath the lathe and there
wasn’t a spot, much less a blood spot underneath.” All right;
you say that that wasn’t blood, you say that that haskoline
wouldn’t turn that color. In the name of goodness, in
the name of truth, I ask you, if that haskoline mixed with
that blood on the second floor wouldn’t have produced the
identical result that these witnesses have sworn, if it be true,
as Mr. Rosser stated, that you don’t attach any importance
to the, cabbage findings and experiments made in this case,
why didn’t you devote a little of your time to bringing before
this jury a reputable chemist and a man who could sustain
you in that statement? You had that evidence in your
possession, or if you were able to bring in these medical experts
here to tear down the powerful evidence of Doctor Roy
Harris, as eminent an authority as lives in the State of
Georgia, in the name of truth and fair play, before you men
who ought to have every fact that will enable you to get at
the truth, why didn’t you bring one chemist to sustain you?
There’s but one answer, and you know what it is. Those
spots were blood, they were blood over which had been placed
that substance, haskoline, and the color that blood and
haskoline would make apon that floor was the identical color
found there by the numerous witnesses who saw it. Important?
There is no more important fact for you to have
shown than that this haskoline, when wiped over blood, would
have made a color the like unto which Frank in his statement
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Doctor Pronounced It Blood.
Are you going to accept the statement of this man, with
all these circumstances unsupported by chemists or anybody
on earth, because they couldn’t get them to come in and stultify
themselves on that point, as against the evidence of all
these witnesses who have told you that that was blood, and
against the evidence of Doctor Claud Smith, the City Bacteriologist
of the City of Atlanta, who tells you that through a
chemical analysis he developed the fact that that was blood?
This defense, gentlemen-they have got no defense, they
never have come into close contact in this case, except on the
proposition of abuse and villification. They circle and flutter
but never light; they grab at varnish and cat’s blood and
rat’s blood and Duffy’s blood, but they never knuckle down
and show this jury that it wasn’t blood; and in view of the
statement of that boy, Mel Stanford, who swept that floor
Friday afternoon, in view of the statement of Mrs. Jefferson,
in view of the statement of “Christopher Columbus” Barrett,
who tells the truth, notwithstanding the fact that he
gets his daily bread out of the coffers of the National Pencil
Company, you know that that was the blood of this innocent
victim of Frank’s lustful passion.
The defense is uncertain and indistinct on another proposition,
they flutter and flurry but never light when it
comes to showing you what hole Jim Conley pushed his victim
down. Did he shoot her back that staircase back there?
No. Why? Because the dust was thick over it. Because
unimpeached witnesses have shown you it was nailed down;
because if he had shot her down that hole, the boxes piled
up there to the ceiling would have as effectively concealed
her body as if she had been buried in the grave, for some
days or weeks. Did he shoot her down this other hole in the
Clark Woodenware Company’s place of business? Where,
even if what Schiff says is true, that they kept the shellac
there, it would nevertheless have concealed her body a
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the fireman and people were coming in through the back
door. Did this negro, who they say robbed this girl, even if
he had taken the time to write the notes, which, of course,
he didn’t–even after he had knocked her in the head with
that bludgeon, which they tell you had blood on it, and robber
her, even if he had been such a fool and so unlike the
other members of his race, by whom brutal murders have
been committed, should have taken time to have tied a cord
around her neck, a cord seldom found down there in the
basement, according to your own statement, except when it’s
swept down in the trash, but a cord that hangs right up there
on the office floor, both back there in the varnish room and
up there in the front. If he had done all that,–a thing you
know that he didn’t do, after he had shot her down in that
hole in the Clark Woodenware Company, down there in that
wing of the place where they keep this shellac, if they do
keep it, why would that negro have gone down
there and moved her body, when she was more securely fixed
down there? And why was it, will you tell me, if he shot
her down that scuttle hole, that he wrote the notes and fixed
the cord, and will you tell me how it happens that, when after
this man Holloway, on May 1st, had grabbed old Jim Conley,
when he saw him washing his shirt and said “he’s my
nigger,”-fifteen days afterwards, when squad number two
of the Pinkerton people had been searching through that factory
a whole day and right down in that area, the elevator
being run, the detectives, both the Pinkertons and the city
force had looked around there immediately after the crime,
will you tell me how it happened that, if he shot her down
that hole, that there was so much blood not found until the
15th of May, and more blood than that poor girl is ever
shown to have lost?
Didn’t Want to Examine Blood.
Another thing: This man Frank says that “Mr. Quinn said
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the office floor, where the newspapers that morning stated
that Mr. Barrett of the metal department had claimed he had
found blood spots, and where he had found some hair.” Although
he had seen in the morning papers that this man
Barrett claimed to have seen blood there, before he went
back to see it, although this thing tore him all to pieces, and
although he was anxious to employ a detective,-so anxious
that he phoned Schiff three times to get the Pinkertons
down, according to his own statement, Lemmie Quinn had
to come and ask him back to see the blood spots on the second
floor, found by this man Barrett.
Is that the conduct of a man, the head of a pencil factory,
who had employed detectives, anxious to assist the police,-
saw it in the newspapers and yet Lemmie Quinn had to go
and ask him to go back? And then he tells you in this statement,
which is easy to write, was glibly rattled off, a statement
that you Might expect from a man that could plot the
downfall of a girl of such tender years as little Mary Phagan,
that he went back there and examined those blood spots with
an electric flashlight, that he made a particular and a minute
examination of them, but strange to say, not even Lemmie
Quinn comes in to sustain you, and no man on earth, so
far as this jury knows, ever saw Leo M. Frank examining
what Barrett said and Jefferson said and Mel Stanford said
and Beavers said and Starnes said and a host of others said
was blood near the dressing room on the second floor. You
know why? Because it never happened. If there was a spot
on this earth that this man Frank didn’t want to examine,
if there was a spot on earth that he didn’t want any blood
found at all, it wa§ on the second floor, the floor which, according
to his own statement, he was working on when this
poor girl met her death.
Went to Morgue Second Time.
Schiff, he says, saw those notes down there and at Police
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once but twice. If he went down there and visited that morgue
and saw that child and identified her body and it tore him
all to pieces, as he tells you it did, let any honest man, I don’t
care who-he be, on this jury, seeking to fathom the mystery
of this thing, tell me why it was, except for the answer that
I give you, he went down there to view that body again?
Rogers said he didn’t look at it; Black said he -didn’t see him
look at it.
Mr. Rosser: He is mis-stating the evidence. Rogers
never said that he didn’t look at the body, he said he
was behind him and didn’t know whether he did or not;
and Black said he didn’t know whether he did or not.
Mr. Dorsey: Rogers said he never did look at that
body.
Mr. Arnold: I insist that isn’t the evidence. Rogers
said he didn’t know and couldn’t answer whether he saw
it or not, and Black said the same thing.
I’m not going to quibble with you. The truth is, and you
know it, that when that man Frank went down there to look
at that body of that poor girl, to identify her he never
went in that room, and if he did look at her long enough to
identify her, neither John Black nor Rogers nor Gheesling
knew it. I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, that the truth of
this thing is that Frank never looked at the body of that
poor girl, but if he did, it was just a glance, as the electric
light was flashed on and he immediately turned and went into
another room.
. Mr. Rosser: There isn’t a bit of proof that he went
into another room, I object again, sir, there isn’t a particle
of proof of that.
The Court: Look it up and see what was said.
Mr. Dorsey: I know this evidence.
Mr. Rosser: If Your Honor allows it to go on, there’s
no use looking it up. He never said anything about going
into another room.
The Court: What is your remembrance about that?

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Mr. Rosser: It isn’t true, Your Honor.
Mr. Dorsey: I challenge you to produce it.
Mr. Rosser: There’s no use to challenge it, if he goes
on and makes the argument they make, those deductions
for which there’s no basis, but when he makes a misstatement
of the evidence, it’s perfectly useless to go on
and look it up, and we decline to look it up.
Mr..Dorsey: I insist that they look it up. I insist
that I’m sticking to the facts.
Mr. Rosser: No, you are not.
The Court: Well, if you’ll give me the record I’ll look
it up. Mr. Haas look that up and see what is the fact
about it.
Mr. Dorsey: I know what Boots Rogers said myself.
The Court: The jury knows what was said.
Mr. Dorsey: That’s quibbling-
Mr. Arnold: Is that correct, Your Honor?
The Court: No, that’s not correct; whenever they object,
Mr. Dorsey, if you don’t agree upon the record,
have it looked up, and if they are right and you know it,
and you are wrong, or if they are wrong and you also
know it,-if they are wrong they are quibbling, and if
they are right they are not quibbling. Now, just go on.
Wanted to Listen for Suspicions.
If that man Frank ever looked at that girl’s face,-I challenge
them to produce the record to show it,-it was so brief
that if she was dirty and begrimed and her hair was bloody
and her features contorted, I tell you that, if he didn’t know
her any better than he would have you believe he knew her,
he never could have identified her as Mary Phagan. Never
could. And I say to you, gentlemen of the jury, that the reason
why this man re-visited that morgue on Sunday afternoon,
after he had failed to mention the subject of the death
in the bosom of his family at the dining table, when he tells
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for re-visiting that morgue, and that was to put his ear to
the ground and see if at that hour there was any whisper or
suggestion that Leo M. Frank, the guilty man, had committed
the dastardly deed.
The Court: Mr. Haas, look up and see what they
claim Boots Rogers said.
Sight of Girl Unnerved Him.
Black didn’t see him, Rogers didn’t see him, Gheesling
didn’t see him. One of the earliest to arrive, the superintendent
of the factory, (Rogers said he had his eye on him) he
turned and stepped aside, and he himself said that the sight
tore him all to pieces, and he seeks to have you believe that
that automobile ride and the sight of that poor girl’s features
accounts for the nervousness which he displayed; and
yet we find him going, like a dog to his vomit, a sow to her
wallow, back to view the remains of this poor little innocent
girl. And I ask you, gentlemen of the jury, if you don’t
know that the reason Leo M. Frank went down to that
morgue on Sunday afternoon was to see if he could scent
anything in the atmosphere indicating that the police suspected
Leo M. Frank? He admits his nervousness, he admits
his nervousness in the presence of the officers; the Seligs
say that he wasn’t nervous, that he wasn’t nervous Saturday
night when he telephoned Newt Lee to find out if anything
had happened at the factory, that he wasn’t nervous
when he read this Saturday Evening Post-
Mr. Rosser: Now, the question of whether Boots
said he went into that room is now easily settled. (Mr.
Rosser here read that portion of the examination of
the witness Rogers.)
Mr. Dorsey: Well, that’s cross examination, ain’t it?
Mr. Rosser: Yes, but I presume he would tell the
truth on cross examination, I don’t know; he passed out
of his view, he didn’t say he went into a room.

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Mr. Dorsey: Correct me if I’m wrong. Boots Rogers
said he didn’t go where the corpse lay, and that’s the
proposition that we lay down.
Mr. Rosser: That isn’t the proposition either; now
you made a statement that isn’t true, the other statement
isn’t true; Rogers said that when he left, “he
went out of my view,” he was practically out of his view
all the time. I was just trying to quote the substance
of that thing.
He wanted to get out of the view of any man who represented
the majesty and dignity of the law, and he went in
behind curtains or any old thing that would hide his countenance
from those men. And he said on the leading examination-
Mr. Rosser: I don’t know what you led out of him,
but on the cross he told the truth.
I come back to the proposition in the bosom of his family,
-notwithstanding he read that Saturday Evening Post out
there in the hall Saturday night, this thing kept welling in
his breast to such an extent that he had to make a play of
being composed and cool, and he went in there and tried to
break up the card game with the laughter that was the
laughter of a guilty conscience. Notwithstanding the fact
that he was able, Sunday, at the dining table and in the bosom
of his family, when he hadn’t discussed this murder,
when Mrs. Selig didn’t know that it was a murder that concerned
her, when the whole Selig household were treating
it as a matter of absolute indifference, if he wasn’t nervous
there, gentlemen of the jury, surely he was, as I am going to
show you, nervous when he came face to face and had to discuss
the proposition with the minions of the law.
Frank’s Nervousness Apparent.
He was nervous when he went to run the elevator, when
he went to the box to turn on the power, and he says here in
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open because some member of the fire department had come
around and stated that you must leave that box open because
the electricity might innocently electrocute some member of
the fire department in case of fire. I ask you, gentlemen of
the jury, what was the necessity for leaving the box open
when a simple turn of the lever would have shut off the electricity
and enabled the key to have been hung up in the office,
just exactly like old Holloway swore when he didn’t
know the importance of the proposition, in the affidavit
which I have and which was submitted in evidence to you,
that that box was locked and the key was put in Frank’s
office? Why don’t they bring the fireman here who went
around and gave such instructions? First, because it wasn’t
necessary, they could have cut the electricity off and locked
the box. And second, they didn’t bring him because no such
man ever did any such thing, and old Holloway told the truth
before he came to the conclusion that old Jim Conley was “his
nigger” and he saw the importance of the proposition that
when Frank went there Sunday morning the box was unlocked
and Frank had the key in his pocket.
Mr. Rosser: You say Mr. Frank had the key in his
pocket? No one mentioned it, that isn’t the evidence; I
say it was hung up in the office, that’s the undisputed
evidence.
Mr. Dorsey: Holloway says when he got back Monday
morning it was hung up in the office, but Boots
Rogers said this man Frank,-and he was sustained by
other witnesses,-when he came there to run that elevator
Sunday morning, found that power box unlocked.
Mr. Rosser: That’s not what you said.
Mr. Dorsey: Yes it is.
Mr. Rosser: You said Frank had the key in his pocket
next morning, and that isn’t the evidence, there’s not
a line to that effect.
The Court: Do you still insist that he had it in his
.pocket?
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point of the proposition, the gist of the proposition, the
force of the proposition is that old Hollway stated, way
back yonder in May, when I interviewed him, that the
key was always in Frank’s office; this man told you that
the power box and the elevator was unlocked Sunday
morning and the elevator started without anybody going
and getting the key.
Mr. Rosser: That’s not the point he was making,
the point he was making, to show how clearly Frank
must have been connected with it, he had the key in his
pocket. He was willing to say that when he ought to
know that’s not so.
The Court: He’s drawing a deduction that he claims
he’s drawing.
Mr. Rosser: He doesn’t claim that. He says the
point is it was easily gotten in the office, but that’s not
what he said.
The Court: You claim that’s a deduction you are
drawing?
Mr. Dorsey: Why, sure.
The Court: Now, you don’t claim the evidence shows
that ?
Mr. Dorsey: I claim that the power box was standing
open Sunday morning.
The Court: Do you insist that the evidence shows he
had it in his pocket?
Mr. Dorsey: I say that’s my recollection, but I’m
willing to waive it; but let them go to the record, and
the record will sustain me on that point, just like it sustains
me on the evidence of this man Rogers, which I’m
now going to read.
Frank Stepped Out of Room.
Rogers said “Mr. Gheesling caught the face of the dead
girl and turned it over towards me; I looked then to see if
anybody followed me, and I saw Mr. Frank step from outpide
of the door into what I thought was a closet, but I after-

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wards found out was where Mr. Gheesling slept, or somebody
slept, there was a little single bed in there.”
Mr. Rosser: He did say that upon direct examination,
but here on cross examination he stated that he
didn’t know that he went in that room; now you take
his whole testimony to determine what he said; he says
“I don’t know,”-that he only surmised on that particular
point, but afterwards he says “I don’t know.”
The Court: Whenever he is inside of the record, don’t
interrupt him, but whenever he’s outside of the record
you can do it.
Says He “Identified” Her.
I don’t want to misrepresent this testimony, for goodness
knows there’s enough here without resorting to any such
practice as that, and I don’t want to mislead this jury and
furthermore, I’m not going to do it. Frank says, after looking
at the body, “I identified that little girl as the one that
had been up shortly after the noon of the day previous and
got her money from me. I then unlocked the safe and took
out the pay roll book and found that it was true that a little
girl by the name of Mary Phagan did work in the metal plant
and that she was due to draw $1.20, the pay-roll book showed
that, and as the detective had told me that some one had
identified the body of that little girl as that of Mary Phagan,
there could be no question but what it was one and the same
girl.” And he might have added, “as I followed her back
into the metal department and proposed to her that she submit
to my lascivious demands, I hit her, she fell, she struck
her head; to protect my character, I choked her-to protect
my reputation I choked her, and called Jim Conley to move
her down to the basement, and for all these reasons, because
I made out the pay-roll for fifty-two weeks during which
time Mary had worked there, I know, for these reasons, although
I didn’t look at her and couldn’t have recognized her
if she was in the dirty, distorted condition,” he tells you in

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this statement, she really was, “but I know it was Mary Phagan.”
And he corroborates in his statement these detectives, he
says down at the undertaking establishment, “went down a
long dark passageway with Mr. Rogers following, then I
came and Black brought up the rear, Gheesling was on the
opposite side of the little cooling table, the table between
him and me; he took the head in his hands, put his finger
exactly where the wound in the left side back of the head was
located”; and he seeks to have you believe that he “noticed
the hands and arms of the little girl were very dirty, blue
and ground with dirt and cinders, nostrils and mouth,-the
mouth being open,-nostrils and mouth just full of saw-dust,
the face was all puffed out, the right eye was blackened and
swollen and there was a deep scratch over the left eye on the
forehead.” He tells in his statement that in that brief
glance, if he ever took any glance at all, he saw that. The
only way in the world to believe him is to say that these men,
John Black and Boots Rogers, who have got no interest in
this case in God’s world but to tell the truth, perjured themselves
to put the rope around the neck of this man. Do you
believe it? Starnes is a perjurer, too? Starnes says “when
I called this man up over the telephone I was careful not to
mention what had happened”; and unless Starnes on that
Sunday morning in April was very different from what you
would judge him to be by his deportment on the stand here
the other day, he did exactly what he said he did. And yet
this defendant in his statement said he says “what’s the
trouble, has there been a fire ?” He says “No a tragedy, I
want you to come down right away”; “I says all right”; “I’ll
send an automobile after you,” and Starnes says that he
never mentioned the word tragedy, and yet, so conscious, so
conscious was this man Frank when Rogers and Black went
out there and he nervously twitching at his collar, “What’s
the trouble, has the night watchman reported anything,”
asked them not, “has there been a fire,” but “has there been
a tragedy ?” But Starnes, the man who first went after Newt

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Lee, the negro night watchman, because he pointed his finger
of suspicion at him,–Starnes, the man who went after Gantt
because this defendant pointed the finger of suspicion at
him,-Starnes, the man who has been a detective here on
the police force for years and years, is a perjurer and a liar;
to do what? Simply to gratify his ambition and place a
noose around the neck of this man Frank, when he could
have gone out after, if the circumstances had warranted it,
or if he had been a rascal and wanted to travel along the line
of lest resistance, Newt Lee or Gantt or Conley.
“Has Anything Happened?”
Another thing: Old Newt Lee says that when this defendant
called him Saturday night, a thing that he had never
done during the time that he had been there at that pencil
factory serving him as night watchman, Newt Lee tells you,
although the defendant says that he asked about Gantt,
Newt Lee says that Gantt’s name was never mentioned, and
that the inquiry was “has anything happened at the factory
?”
You tell me, gentlemen of the jury, that all these circumstances,
with all these incriminating circumstances piling up
against this man that we have nothing in this case but
prejudice and perjury?
Newt says he never mentioned Gantt. Frank in his statement,
says “I succeeded in getting Newt Lee, and asked him
if Mr. Gantt had gone.” He instructed this man Newt Lee to
go with Gantt, to watch him, to stay with him, and old Newt
Lee wouldn’t even let Gantt in that factory unless Frank said
that he might go up. He had instructed Lee previous thereto
not to let him in for the simple reason he didn’t want
Gantt coming down there. Why? Because he didn’t want
him to come down and see and talk with little Mary for some
reason I know not why; and old Newt Lee stopped this man
Gantt on the threshold and refused to let him go up, and
this man Frank says “you go up with him and see that he

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gets what he wants and usher him out.” And yet, though
he had never done any such thing during the time Newt Lee
had been up there, he innocently called Newt up to find out,
he said, if Gantt had gone and Newt said to find out if everything
was all right at the factory; and you know that the
reason he called up was to find out if Newt, in making his
rounds, had discovered the body of this dead girl.

“Would you convict him on this circumstance or that circumstance
?” No. But I would weave them all together, and
I would make a rope, no one strand of which sufficiently
strong to send this man to the gallows for this poor girl’s
death, but I would take them all together and I would say,
in conformity with the truth and right, they all make such
a rope and such a strand and such a cable that it’s impossible
not only to conceive a reasonable doubt, but to conceive
any doubt at all.

Frank was in jail, Frank had already stated in his affidavit
at Police Headquarters, which is in evidence, contradicting
this statement and this chart which they have made, that he
didn’t leave his office between certain hours. Frank didn’t
know that his own detective, Harry Scott, had found this little
Monteen Stover,-and I quote her evidence, I quote it and
I submit it shows that she went in that office and went far
enough in that office to see who was in there, and if she
didn’t go far enough in, it’s passing strange that anybody in
that office,-Frank himself, could have heard that girl and
could have made his presence known.

Scott, their own Pinkerton
detective, gets the statement from Monteen Stover,
and he visits Leo M. Frank in his cell at the jail. Frank
in order to evade that, says, “to the best of my recollection
I didn’t stir out of the office, but it’s possible that, in
order to answer a call of nature, I may have gone to the
toilet, these are things that a man does unconsciously and
can’t tell how many times nor when he does it.”

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Didn’t Hear Monteen Stover?
I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, that if this man Frank
had remained in his office and was in his office when Monteen
Stover went in there, he would have heard her, he would
have seen her, he would have talked with her,
he would have given her her pay. I tell you gentlemen
of the jury, that if this man Frank had stepped out of
his office to answer a call of nature, that he would have remembered
it, and if he wouldn’t have remembered it, at least
he wouldn’t have stated so repeatedly and unqualifiedly that
he never left his office, and only on the stand here, when he
faces an honest jury, charged with the murder, and circumstances
banked up against him, does he offer the flimsy excuse
that these are things that people do unconsciously and
without any recollection. But this man Scott, in company
with Black, after they found that little Monteen Stover had
been there at exactly the time that old Jim Conley says that
that man with this poor little unfortunate girl had gone to
the rear, and on May 3rd, the very time that Monteen Stover
told them that she had been up there, at that time this
Pinkerton detective, Scott, as honest and honorable a man
as ever lived, the man who said he was going hand in hand
with the Police Department of the City of Atlanta and who
did, notwithstanding the fact that some of the others undertook
to leap with the hare and run with the hounds, stood
straight up by the city detectives and by the State officials
and by the truth, put these questions, on May 3rd, to Leo
M. Frank: says he to Frank:

Detective Scott Loyal to Truth.

“From the time you got to the factory from Montag
Brothers, until you went to the fourth floor to see White and
Denham, were you inside your office the entire time?”

Leo Frank Answer: “I was.” Again, says Scott-and Mr. Scott, in
jail, when Frank didn’t know the importance of the propo-

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sition because he didn’t know that little Monteen Stover had
said that she went up there and saw nobody in his office-
Scott came at him from another different angle: “From the
time you came from Montag Brothers, until Mary Phagan
came, were you in your office?” and Frank said “yes.”
“From twelve o’clock,” says Scott, “until Mary Phagan entered
your office and thereafter until 12:50, when you went
upstairs to get Mrs. White out of the building, were you in
your office?” Answer: “Yes.” “Then,” says Scott, “from
twelve to twelve thirty, every minute during that half hour,
you were in your office?” and Frank said “yes.” And not
until he saw the wonderful capacity, the wonderful ability,
the wonderful devotion of this man Scott to the truth and
right did he ever shut him out from his counsel. No suggestion
then that he might have had to answer a call of nature,
but emphatically, without knowing the importance, he
told his own detective, in the presence of John Black, that
at no time, for no purpose, from a few minutes before this
unfortunate girl arrived, until he went upstairs, at 12:50,
to ask Mrs. White to leave, had he been out of his office.

Then you tell me that an honest jury, with no motive but
to do right, would accept the statement of this man Frank,
that he might have been, these things occur so frequently
that a man can’t remember, and by that statement set aside
what he said to his own detective, Harry Scott? Well, you
can do it; you have got the power to do it; no king on the
throne, no potentate has the power that is vested in the
American jury. In the secret of your consultation room,
you can write a verdict that outrages truth and justice, if
you want to, and no power on earth can call you to account,
but your conscience, but so long as you live, wherever you
go, that conscience has got to be with you,-you can’t get
away from it; and if you do it, you will lose the peace of
mind that goes with a clear conscience of duty done, and
never again, so long as you shall last upon this earth, though
others not knowing the truth might respect you, will you
ever have your own self-esteem.

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Couldn’t Break Down George Epps.
I have already talked to you about this time element.
You made a mighty effort to break down little George Epps.
You showed that McCoy didn’t have a watch; have tried to
show this man Kendley was a liar because he knew the little
girl and felt that he knew in his heart who the murderer
was. But there’s one witness for the State against whom not
a breath of suspicion has been apparent,-we impeached
these men Matthews and Hollis by other witnesses besides
George Epps and besides George Kendley and besides Mc-
Coy, and as to how that little girl got to that factory, gentlemen,
this man Mr. Kelley, who rode on the same car with
Hollis, the same car that Hollis claims or Matthews claims
that he rode on, knew the girl, knew Matthews, tells you and
he’s unimpeached and unimpeachable, and there’s no suggestion
here, even if you set the evidence of Epps and McCoy
and Kenley aside, upon which an honest jury can predicate
a doubt that this man Kelley of the street car company
didn’t tell the truth when he says that she wasn’t on that
car that this man Matthews says she was and she went
around, because “I rode with Matthews and I know her and
I know Matthews.”

And Mr. Rosser says that he don’t care anything about all
this medical evidence,-he don’t care anything about cabbage.

I’m not going back on my raising here or anywhere,
and I tell you, gentlemen, that there is no better, no more
wholesome meal, and when the stomach is normal and all
right, there is nothing that is more easily digested, because
the majority of the substances which you eat takes the same
length of time that cabbage requires. And I tell you that
cabbage, corn bread and buttermilk is good enough for any
man. I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, that Mr. Rosser’s
statement here, that he don’t care anything for that evidence
of Doctor Roy Harris about this cabbage which was
taken out of that poor girl’s stomach, is not borne out by
the record in this case. It wouldn’t surprise me if these able,

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astute gentlemen, vigilant as they have shown themselves to
be, didn’t go out and get some doctors who have been the
family physicians and who are well known to some of the
members of this jury, for the effect that it might have upon
you.

Mr. Arnold: There’s not a word of evidence as to
that; that’s a grossly improper argument, and I move
that that be withdrawn from the jury.

Mr. Dorsey: I don’t state it as a fact, but I am suggesting
it.

Mr. Arnold: He has got no right to deduct it or suggest
it, I just want Your Honor to reprove it,-reprimand
him and withdraw it from the jury; I just make
the motion and Your Honor can do as you please.

I am going to show that there must have been something
besides the training of these men, and I’m going to contrast
them with our doctors.

Mr. Arnold: I move to exclude that as grossly improper.
He says he’s arguing that some physician was
brought here because he was the physician of some
member of the jury, it’s grossly unfair and it’s grossly
improper and insulting, even, to the jury.

Mr. Dorsey: I say it’s eminently proper and absolutely
a legitimate argument.

Mr. Arnold: I just record my objection, and if Your
Honor lets it stay in, you can do it.

Mr. Dorsey: Yes, sir; that wouldn’t scare me, Your
Honor.

The Court: Well, I want to try it right, and I suppose
you do. Is there anything to authorize that inference
to be drawn?

Mr. Dorsey: Why sure; why, the fact that you went
out and got general practitioners, that know nothing
about the analysis of the stomach, know nothing about
pathology.

The Court: Go on, then.

Mr. Dorsey: I thought so.

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Mr. Arnold: Does Your Honor hold that is proper,-
“I thought so ?”

The Court: I hold that he can draw any inference
legitimately from the testimony and argue it,-I don’t
know whether or not there is anything to indicate that
any of these physicians was the physicians of the family.

Mr. Rosser: Let me make the suggestion, Your Honor
ought to know that before you let him testify it.

The Court: He says he don’t know it, he’s merely arguing
it from an inference he has drawn.

Physicians Chosen for Influence on Jury.
I can’t see any other reason in God’s world for going out
and getting these practitioners, who have never had any
special training on stomach analysis, and who have not had
any training with the analysis of tissues, like a pathologist
has had, except upon that theory. And I am saying to you,
gentlemen of the jury, that the number of doctors that these
men put up here believe the statement of Mr. Rosser that he
doesn’t attach any importance to this cabbage proposition,
because they knew, as you know, that it is a powerful factor
in sustaining the State’s case and breaking down the alibi of
this defendant. It fastens and fixes and nails down with
the accuracy only which a scientific fact can do, that this
little girl met her death between the time she entered the
office of the superintendent and the time Mrs. White came up
the stairs at 12:35, to see her husband and found this defendant
at the safe and saw him jump. You tell me that this
Doctor Childs, this general practitioner, who don’t know anything
about the action of the gastric juices on foods in the
stomach, this man of the short experience of seven years,
this gentleman, splendid gentleman though he is, from MNichigan,
can put his opinion against the eminent Secretary of
the Georgia Board of Health, Doctor Roy Harris? I tell you
no.

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Overwhelming Evidence of Physicians.
Mr. Rosser says that old Judge Samps Harris admitted
him to the bar, that he knows him, but the son is not of the
same quality as the father. I’m proud of the fact that old
Judge Samps Harris likewise admitted me to the bar, and I
tell you that no such grand man ever had a son that would
prostitute his superb talents to a misrepresentation of the
truth here or anywhere. And before you or anybody can
set aside the scientific opinion of this expert, who is preeminent
among the ablest of his profession, and accept the
statement of this man from Michigan, or Bachman, from
Alsace-Lorraine, this pathologist who didn’t even know the
name of the first step in the process of digestion-when you
take their opinion as against the opinion of this native born
Georgia son, who holds the highest honor that can be given
to a man in his profession in the State, you have got to have
some better display of knowledge of the subject than they
evince in this presence. You tell me that Hancock, this surgeon
of the Georgia Railway & Power Company, a man that
saws off bones, has experimented with cabbage as put into,
and diseases of, the stomach as Doctor Johnson does? And
do you tell me that Doctor Olmstead, who had an absolute
“diarrhea of words,” an absolute “constipation of ideas,” so
far as imparting anything, though he is a good man and an
honest man and a splendid practitioner; you tell me this man
Kendrick, a general practitioner who hasn’t opened a book on
this subject in ten years, good man as he is, general practitioner
as he is, popular as he is, a man who boosted Roy Harris,
according to his statement, to the position that he holds;
you tell me~that their word in this forum should stand for a
minute against the testimony of Roy Harris, a pathologist
of note; against Clarence Johnson, the stomach specialist,
who has no superior in Georgia, and who fills the chair down
yonder at the college over which Willis Westmoreland is
President; you tell me that this man George Niles, a stomach
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wouldn’t take his word–a specialist on that proposition-or
Doctor Funke, a pathologist, who examined the privates of
this poor little girl, and who tells you that science could predict
and that he would predict, that the opinion of Doctor
Harris, that this girl met her death somewhere about thirty
minutes-that isn’t true? And in opposition to that, set
up the testimony of Doctor Willis Westmoreland, gangrened
with prejudice to such an extent that, when I exhibited to
him the American Medical Journal, this authoritative journal,
in which Doctor Bright, the very man in Philadelphia
under whom Doctor Hancock studied-so intent was he and
so bitter was he, that he told you that that was a journal of
quacks and mountebanks; and you tell me that this surgeon,
who tried to run the Board of Health of the State of Georgia
and threatened to resign if they didn’t do like he wanted
them to do and turn off this man Roy Harris, that he says
was guilty of scientific dishonesty, when we tender the
present President of the Board and the minutes of the meeting
showing absolutely that there isn’t a word of truth in it
you tell me that you didn’t attach any importance to the
test, or that a jury of honest men wouldn’t accept the opinion
of these scientific experts, skilled in their business, as
against the opinion of these men who are only surgeons and
general practitioners? I tell you that if it was a matter of
importance to you-and that’s the standard the law sets up
in a case of this kind,-you wouldn’t hesitate a minute. “I
take acts, not words,” said old Judge Lochrane, in the 43rd
Georgia.

Frank Nervous Before Arrest.

Now, briefly, let’s run over this nervousness proposition.
The man indicated nervousness when he talked to old man
John Starnes, when Black went out to his house and he sent
his wife down to give him nerve, although he was nearly
dressed and she wasn’t at all dressed, he betrayed his nervousness
by the rapidity of his questions, by the form of his

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questions. But first, before we get to that, he warned old
Newt Lee to come back there Saturday at four o’clock, and
dutiful old darkey that he was, old Newt walked in and
Frank then was engaged in washing his hands. Jim Conley
hadn’t come, but he was looking for Conley, and he sent
old Newt Lee out, although Newt insisted that he wanted to
sleep, and although he might have found a cozy corner on
any floor in that factory, with plenty of sacks and cords
and other things to make him a pallet, he wanted old man
Newt to leave. Why? When Newt said he was sleepy he
wanted him to leave so that he could do just exactly what
old Jim Conley told you Frank made his promise to do,-he
wanted an opportunity to burn that body, so that the City
Police of Atlanta wouldn’t have the Phagan mystery solved
today, and probably it would not even be known that the
girl lost her life in that factory.

His anxiety about Gantt going back into that building
that afternoon, when he hung his head and said to Gantt
that he saw a boy sweeping out a pair of shoes, and Gantt
says “what were they, tan or black?” And ah, gentlemen,
it looked like Providence had foreordained that this old,
long-legged Gantt should leave, not only one pair, but two
pairs. “What kind were they,” he said; he gave him
the name of one color, and then, as Providence
would have it, old Gantt said, “ah, but I’ve got two pair,”
and then it was that he dared not say, because he couldn’t
then say, that he saw that man also sweeping them out; then
it was that he said “all right, Newt, go up with him and let
him get them,” and lo and behold, the shoes that this man
Frank would have him believe were swept out, both tan
and black were there. Gantt tells you how he acted; Newt
tells you how he jumped. Rogers and Black, honest men
when they went out there after Mr. Starnes had talked to
him, tell you that he was nervous. Why? Why do you say
you were nervous; because of the automobile ride? Because
you looked into the face of this little girl and it was such a
gruesome sight? I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, and

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you know it, that this man Frank needed, when he had his
wife go down to the door, somebody to sustain him. I tell
you that this man Frank, when he had his wife telephone
Darley to meet him at the factory, did it because he wanted
somebody to sustain him. I tell you, gentlemen of the jury,
that, because he sent for Mr. Rosser,-big of reputation and
big of brain, dominating and controlling, so far as he can,
everybody with whom he comes in contact, the reason he
wanted him at the Police Headquarters, and the reason he
wanted Haas, was because his conscience needed somebody
to sustain him.
Trembled Like Aspen Leaf.
And this man Darley! We had to go into the enemy’s
camp to get the ammunition, but fortunately, I got on the
job and sent the subpoena, and fortunately Darley didn’t
know that he didn’t have to come, and fortunately he came
and made the affidavit, to which he stood up here as far as
he had to because he couldn’t get around it, in which Darley
says “I noticed his nervousness; I noticed it upstairs, I noticed
it downstairs,” when they went to nail up the door.
‘ When he sat in my lap going down to the Police Headquarters
he shook and he trembled like an aspen leaf.” I confronted
him with the statement, in which he had said “completely
undone.” He denied it but said “almost undone.” I
confronted him with the statement that he had made, and
the affidavit to which he had sworn, in which he had used the
language, “Completely unstrung,” and now he changed it in
your presence and said “almost completely unstrung.”
You tell me that this man that called for breakfast at
home, as Durant called for bromo seltzer in San Francisco,
this man who called for coffee at the factory, as Durant
called for bromo seltzer in San Francisco, you tell me that
this man Frank, the defendant in this case, explains his
nervousness by reason of the automobile ride, the view of
the body,-as this man Durant, in San Francisco tried to

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explain his condition by the inhalation of gas,-you tell me,
gentlemen of the jury, that these explanations are going to
wipe out the nervousness that you know could have been
produced by but one cause, and that is, the consciousness
of an infamous crime that had been committed?
But that ain’t all: Rogers and Starnes and Gantt and
this boy, then, L. 0. Grice, the man who was going to take
the train early Sunday morning, the man who was led by curiosity
down into that place where the body lay before it
was moved to the Coroner’s;
(At this point a short intermission was ordered by
the Court, after which the Solicitor resumed, as follows)
:
Frank Turned the Light Down.
Old Newt Lee says that when he went back there that afternoon
he found that inside door locked,-a thing that
never had been found before he got there at four o’clock, a
thing that he never had found. Old Newt Lee says that
Frank came out of his office and met him out there by the
desk, the place where he always went and said “All right, Mr.
Frank,” and that Frank had always called him in and given
him his instructions. But Newt Lee says that night, when
he went into the cellar, he found the light, that had always
burned brightly turned back so that it was burning just about
like a lightning bug. You tell me that old Jim Conley felt
the necessity to have turned that light down? I tell you
that that light was turned down, gentlemen, by that man,
Leo M. Frank, after he went down there Saturday afternoon,
when he discovered that Conley wasn’t coming back
to burn the body, to place the notes by the body, that Conley
had written, and he turned it down in the hope that the
body wouldn’t be discovered by Newt Lee during that night.

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Scott’s Devotion to Truth.
Monday evening, Harry Scott is sent for, the Pinkerton
man-and it didn’t require any affidavit to hold old Scott
down to the truth, though after my experience with that
man Darley, I almost trembled in my boots for fear this
man Scott, one of the most material witnesses, although the
detective of this defendant’s company, might also throw me
down. Scott says this man Frank, when he went there
Monday afternoon, after he had anxiously phoned Schiff to
see old man Sig Montag and get Sig Montag’s permissionhad
phoned him three times-Scott says that he squirmed
in his chair continually, crossed and uncrossed his legs, rubbed
his face with his hand, sighed, twisted and drew long
deep breaths. After going to the station Tuesday morning,
just before his arrest-if he ever was arrested-just before
his detention, at another time altogether from the time
that Darley speaks of,-Darley, the man for whom he sent,
Darley the man who is next to him in power, Darley the man
that he wanted to sustain his nerve–Scott, your own detective,
says that he was nervous and pale, and that when he
saw him at the factory, his eyes were large and glaring.
Tuesday morning, Waggoner, sent up there to watch him
from across the street, says before the officers came to get
him, he could see Frank pacing his office inside, through
the windows, and that he came to the office window and
looked out at him twelve times in thirty minutes,-that he
was agitated and nervous on the way down to the station.
I want to read you here an excerpt from the speech of a
man by the name of Hammond, when prosecuting a fellow
by the name of Dunbar for the murder of two little children;
it explains in language better than I can command,
why all this nervousness:
Consciousness of Guilt Within Him.
“It was because the mighty secret of the fact was in his
heart; it was the overwhelming consciousness of guilt striv-

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ing within him; it was nature over-burdened with a terrible
load; it was a conscience striving beneath a tremendous
crushing weight; it was fear, remorse and terror-remorse
for the past, and terror for the future. Spectral shadows
were flitting before him”-the specter of the dead girl, the
cord, the blood, arose. “The specter of this trial, of the
prison, of the gallows and the grave of infamy. Guilt, gentlemen
of the jury, forces itself into speech and conduct, and
is its own betrayer.”
Analysis of Conley’s Evidence.
So far, not a word about Conley; not a word. Now, let’s
discuss Conley. Leave Conley out, you’ve got a course of
conduct that shows that this man is guilty, because it is consistent
with the theory of guilty and inconsistent with any
other hypothesis, reasonable or otherwise.
Before going on to Conley, let’s take those who are brought
into this thing by Conley. Is Dalton a low-down character?
If he is, isn’t he just exactly the kind of man you would expect
to find consorting with this woman, Daisy Hopkins?
But if, as Mr. Reuben Arnold said, the fact that a man
sometimes likes to go around with the ladies for immoral
purposes, don’t damn this man Frank, then why will it
damn Dalton? I grant you that Dalton, in his young days,
was not what he should have been. You took him back yonder
in Walton County, at his old home, and brought up men
here to impeach him about whom we know nothing. We
took Dalton after he moved to Atlanta and we did for him
what you didn’t dare to undertake to do for Daisy,-we
gave him a good character after he got away from that miserable
crowd with whom he associated in his old home in
Walton. Mr. Rosser said that once a thief, always a thief
and eternally damned. Holy Writ, in giving the picture
of the death of Christ on the Cross, says that, when He suffered
that agony, He said to the thief, “This day shalt thou
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and a farce, if it teaches anything, it is that man, though he
may be a thief, may be rehabilitated, and enjoy a good character
and the confidence of the people among whom he
lives.

Dalton Corroborates Conley.

And this man Dalton, according to the unimpeached testimony
of these people who have known him in DeKalb and
Fulton since he left that crowd back yonder where he was a
boy and probably wild and did things that were wrong, they
tell you that today he is a man of integrity, notwithstanding
the fact that he is sometimes tempted to step aside with a
woman who has fallen so low as Daisy Hopkins. Did we sustain
him? By more witnesses by far than you brought here
to impeach him, and by witnesses of this community, witnesses
that you couldn’t impeach to save your life. Did we
sustain him? We not only sustained him by proof of general
good character, but we sustained him by the evidence
of this man, C. T. Maynard, an unimpeached and unimpeachable
witness, who tells you, not when Newt Lee was there,
during the three weeks that Newt Lee was there, but that
on a Saturday afternoon in June or July, 1912, he saw with
his own eyes this man Dalton go into that pencil factory
with a woman. Corroboration of Conley? Of course, it’s
corroboration. The very fact, gentlemen of the jury, that
these gentlemen conducting this case failed absolutely and
ingloriously even to attempt to sustain this woman, Daisy
Hopkins, is another corroboration of Conley.

But, ah! Mr. Rosser said he would give so much to know
who it was that dressed this man Conley up,-this
man about whom he fusses, having been put in the custody
of the police force of the City of Atlanta. Why, if you had
wanted to have known, and if you had used one-half the effort
to ascertain that fact that you used when you sent
somebody down yonder,–I forget the name of the man,-
to Walton County to impeach this man, Dalton, you could

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have found it out. And’ I submit that the man that did it,
whoever he was, the man who had the charity in his heart
to dress that negro up,-the negro that you would dress in
a shroud and send to his grave,-the man that did that, to
bring him into the presence of this Court deserves not the
condemnation, but the thanks of this jury.

Reason for Police Keeping Conley.

Let’s see what Mr. William Smith, a man employed to defend
this negro Conley, set up in response to the rule issued
by His Honor, Judge Roan, and let’s see now if they are not
all sufficient reasons why Conley should not have been delivered
into the custody of the City police of Atlanta, though
they are no better, but just as good as the Sheriff of this
County. “Respondent (Jim Conley, through his attorney)
admits that he is now held in custody, under orders of this
Court, at the police prison of the City of Atlanta, having
been originally held in the prison of Fulton County, also under
order of this Court, the cause of said commitment by
this Court of respondent being the allegation that respondent
is a material witness in the above case,-that of The
State against Leo M. Frank-”in behalf of The State, and it
is desired to insure the presence of respondent at the trial
of the above case.” So he couldn’t get away, in order to
hold him. “Respondent admits that he is now at the City
police prison at his own request and instance, and through
the advice and counsel of his attorney. Respondent shows
to the Court that the City police prison is so arranged and
so officered that respondent is absolutely safe as to his physical
welfare from any attack that might be made upon him;
that he is so confined that his cell is a solitary one, there being
no one else even located in the cell block with him; that
the key to this cell block and the cell of respondent is always
in the possession of a sworn, uniformed officer of the law;
that under the instructions of Chief of Police Beavers, said
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this respondent or come into his cell block, except the attorney
of respondent and such persons as this respondent
may agree to see and talk with; that respondent, so confined,
is protected from any physical harm and is protected from
the possibility of legal harm by others who might seek to
damn respondent by false claims, as to statements alleged to
be made by respondent.”
Friends of Frank “Approached” Conley.
That was right,-if it was right for Frank not to see, in
the jail, anybody except those he wished to see, why wasn’t
it equally right, at Police Headquarters, for Jim Conley?
Conley says that neither he “nor his counsel have made request
for the release of respondent or his transfer to any
other place of confinement.” Conley “is willing to remain
indefinitely as a prisoner in solitary confinement, under any
reasonable rules this Court (referring to His Honor, Judge
Roan) may direct, subject to any further order or direction
of this Court. Respondent admits that he is a material witness
in behalf of the State of Georgia in this case, and admits
that in the exercise of sound discretion, it is proper
that respondent be held until the final trial of this, or any
other case growing out of the unfortunate death of Miss
Mary Phagan, but this respondent denies that, in the exercise
of sound judicial discretion, it is necessary for this
Court to order respondent held at any particular prison.
Respondent denies that this Court has any legal right, in the
exercise of sound judicial discretion, to order this respondent
held as a witness in behalf of the State, when it is
shown to this Court, as it is shown beyond the peradventure
of a doubt, that there is no possibility for this respondent
not to be present and subject to call as a witness in behalf
of the State, since he is held in complete and perfect imprisonment,
and there being no possible theory that the ends of
justice will be thwarted, and all of these facts being without
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this Court committing respondent”; as they sought, Leo M.
Frank’s counsel, sought to have done, to the common jail of
Fulton County, in the custody of the Sheriff. “Respondent
is advised and believes that the counsel for the defendant
(Frank) in this case has been, within the last few days,
studying the law very thoroughly bearing on the question of
the holding of this respondent as a material witness in behalf
of the State, at any other place than the County prison,
and also immediately finds a move on foot to have respondent
returned to the County prison, and respondent is advised
by his counsel that it is the belief of his counsel that
the idea of transfer back to the County prison has under it
plans laid by persons unfriendly to the interests of this respondent
and friendly to the interests of the defendant
(Frank) in this case. Respondent denies that the law vests
in this court the right of committal as a witness in behalf of
either side, under the facts and circumstances of this or any
other case. Respondent shows that the conditions at the
County jail are such that the interests of justice, as far as
this respondent is concerned, can not be as well safeguarded
and the interests of respondent and the interests of justice
are greatly threatened by the return of this respondent to
the County jail. He shows that, through no fault of the
County Sheriff, a sufficient inside force of guards has not
been provided by the Coufity authorities, only one man being
paid by the County to guard twenty cell blocks, distributed
in twenty wings and over five floors; that it is a physical
impossibility for this one man to keep up or even know
what is transpiring on five different floors, or twenty separate
immense wall and steel blocks, distributed through a
large building; that with this inadequate force, which this
respondent is advised the Sheriff of this County has complained
about, it is an absolute impossibility for the best
Sheriff in the world, or the best-trained deputies, to know
exactly what is going on at any and all times, or any reasonable
part of the time; that the keys to practically all of
the cell blocks are carried by convicted criminals, known as

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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 134 1914
“trusties,” who turn in and out parties entering or leaving
cell blocks, and while they have general instructions covering
their duties, it is an impossibility for the inside deputy
to know whether each is discharging his duty properly at all
times; that the food is prepared and distributed in the County
prison itself and practically by convicted criminals, whose
disregard for law and principle is written upon the criminal
records of this State; that, owing to this condition, men have
been known to saw through solid steel bars and cages and
escape to freedom; that it would be easy for any one to reach
or harm respondent or to poison him through his food; that
the “trusty turnkeys,” who are convicts, can easily swear as
to admissions against the interest of this respondent, even
though such admissions might not be made; that the friends
of the defendant (Frank) in this case are allowed to pour
constantly into the jail, at all hours of the day and up to a
late hour of the night, and are in close touch with many of
these “trusty turnkeys” and “trusty attachees” of the jail;
that while a prisoner at the County prison, before his transfer
to the City prison, a goodly number of people were admitted
to the cell block to talk with respondent, whose presence
was not requested or desired; that among those visitors
was one whom this respondent has every reason to believe
was working in the interest of the defendant (Frank) .”
And when he was down there, they admitted them to talk
to him, and he didn’t desire their presence, and even here in
this Court, by newspaper men, for the short time that this
man Conley was put in, they turn up and try to prove circumstances
and admissions that Conley denies he ever
made. “A goodly number of people,” he says, for the short
time that he was down there, “were admitted to the cell
block and talked to respondent, whose presence was not requested
nor desired; among those visitors was one whom
this respondent has every reason to believe was working in
the interest of the defendant (Frank) ; that this party presented
respondent with sandwiches, which this respondent
did not eat, that this same party also offered to present re-

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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 135 1914
spondent with whiskey; that respondent was threatened with
physical harm while in the County prison to the extent of
the possibility of taking his life; that he was denounced as
a liar, relative to his testimony in this case; and this respondent
(Jim Conley) is sure with6ut the knowledge or through
the neglect of the sheriff or any of his men, but directly attributable
to the construction physically of the County prison
and the inadequate force allowed the Sheriff to oversee
and care for it. That respondent is advised and believes that
one of the parties friendly to the defendant (Frank) is already
priming himself to swear that respondent made certain
admissions while he was in the County prison which
this respondent did not make, and which testimony will be
false, but will be given, if given, to help the defendant
(Frank) and damage this respondent (Jim Conley). That
this respondent was imprisoned, while in the County prison,
directly over the cell block in which said defendant is detained,
and was lodged among the most desperate criminals,
one even being under sentence of death, and willing, no
doubt, to swear or do anything necessary to help save or
prolong his life; that these desperate criminals with whom
this respondent was lodged, had this respondent completely
at their mercy and could swear that he admitted things most
damaging and which would be false and untrue and known
by them to be false and untrue. This respondent is advised
and believes that the Sheriff of this County has publicly proclaimed
that the defendant looks him in the eye like an innocent
man; that the Sheriff has given said defendant
(Frank) an entire cell block and has isolated him completely
except from his friends; that the Sheriff has expressed himself
as not desiring “that nigger returned to the County
prison,” meaning respondent; that the Sheriff appears to
feel that the requests made by respondent are meant as a
reflection upon the Sheriff, but same was not so intended to
be construed; nor was same so represented to the Court at
the time of the transfer, nor was any such allegation made
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order transferring respondent back to the City prison, nor
does respondent believe that same was in the mind of the
Court, at the time of the passage of the order or influenced
the Court; but that the inadequate force allowed the Sheriff
and the construction of the jail rendered this request by respondent
necessary, and same was made to this Court with
no statement of facts, other than it was requested by respondent
and in the judgment of the representative of the State
there was necessity for same.”
Removed From Jail to Station-house.
Judge Roan did it,–no reflection on the Sheriff, but with
the friends of this man Frank pouring in there at all hours
of the night, offering him sandwiches and whiskey and
threatening his life, things that this Sheriff, who is as good
as the Chief of Police but no better, couldn’t guard against
because of the physical structure of the jail, Jim Conley
asked, and His Honor granted the request, that he be remanded
back into the custody of the honorable men who
manage the police department of the City of Atlanta.
Mr. Rosser: No, that’s a mistake, that isn’t correct,
Your Honor discharged him from custody,-he said that
under that petition Your Honor sent him back to the
custody. where you had him before, and that isn’t true,
Your Honor discharged him, vacated the order, that’s
what you did.
Mr. Dorsey: Here’s an order committing him down
there first-you are right about that, I’m glad you are
right one time.
Mr. Rosser: That’s more than you have ever been.
Mr. Dorsey: No matter what the outcome of the order
may have been, the effect of the order passed by
His Honor, Judge Roan, who presides in this case, was
to remand him into the custody of the police of the City
of Atlanta.
Mr. Rosser: i dispute that; that isn’t the effect of
the order passed by His Honor, the effect of the order

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passed by His Honor was to turn him out, and they
went through the farce of turning him out on the street
and carrying him right back.* That isn’t the effect of
Your Honor’s judgment. In this sort of case, we ought
to have the exact truth.
The Court: This is what I concede to be the effect
of that ruling: I passed this order upon the motion of
State’s counsel, first, is my recollection, and by consent
of Conley’s attorney-
Mr. Rosser: I’m asking only for the effect of the
last one.
The Court: On motion of State’s counsel, consented
to by Conley’s attorney, I passed the first order, that’s
my recollection. Afterwards, it came up on motion of
the Solicitor General, I vacated both orders, committing
him to the jail and also the order, don’t you understand,
transferring him; that left it as though I had never
made an order, that’s the effect of it.
Mr. Rosser: Then the effect was that there was no
order out at all?
The Court: No order putting him anywhere.
Mr. Rosser: Which had the effect of putting him out?
The Court: Yes, that’s the effect, that there was no
order at all.
Mr. Dorsey: First, there was an order committing him to
the common jail of Fulton County; second, he was turned
over to the custody of the police of the City of Atlanta, by
an order of Judge L. S. Roan; third, he was released from
anybody’s custody, and except for the determination of the
police force of the City of Atlanta, he would have been a liberated
man, when he stepped into this Court to swear, or he
would have been spirited out of the State of Georgia so his
damaging evidence couldn’t have been adduced against this
man.
Conley’s Character Sustains Story.
But yet you say he’s impeached? You went thoroughly
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 138 1914
person for whom he had worked, and yet this lousy, disreputable
negro is uimpeached by any man except somebody
that’s got a hand in the till of the National Pencil Company,
unimpeached as to general bad character, except by the hirelings
of the National Pencil Company. And yet you would
have this jury, in order to turn this man loose, over-ride the
facts of this case and say that Conley committed this murder,
when all you have ever been able to dig up against him
is disorderly conduct in the Police Court. Is Conley sustained?
Abundantly. Our proof of general bad character,
the existence of such character as can reasonably be supposed
to cause one to commit an act like we charge, our proof
of general bad character, I say, sustains Jim Conley. Our
proof of general bad character as to lasciviousness not even
denied by a single witness, sustains Jim Conley. Your failure
to cross examine and develop the source of information
of these girls put upon the stand by the State,-these “hairbrained
fanatics,” as Mr. Arnold called them, without rhyme
or reason, sustains Jim Conley. Your failure to cross examine
our character witnesses with reference to this man’s character
for lasciviousness sustains Jim Conley. His relations with
Miss Rebecca Carson, the lady on the fourth floor, going into
the ladies’ dressing room even in broad daylight and during
work hours, as first developed by Miss Jackson, your own
witness, and as sustained by MNiss Kitchens-
Mr. Rosser: Miss Jackson said nothing about that,
she never mentioned Miss Carson at all.
Mr. Dorsey: That’s right, you are right about that.
Scores of Facts Sustain Conley.
His relations with Miss Rebecca Carson, who is shown to
have gone into the ladies’ dressing room, even in broad daylight
and during work hours, by witnesses whose names I
can’t call right now, sustains Jim Conley. Your own witness,
Miss Jackson, who says that this libertine and rake
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 139 1914
after they had finished their piece work, and tells of the sardonic
grin that lit his countenance, sustains Jim Conley. Miss
Kitchens, the lady from the fourth floor, that, in spite of the
repeated assertion made by Mr. Arnold, you didn’t produce,
and her account of this man’s conduct when he came in there
on these girls, whom he should have protected and when he
should have been the last man to go in that room, sustains
Jim Conley; and Miss Jackson’s assertion that she heard of
three or four other instances and that complaint was made
to the foreladies in charge, sustains Jim Conley. Darley and
Mattie Smith, as to what they did even on the morning of
Saturday, April 26th, even going into the minutest details,
sustain Jim Conley. McCrary, the old negro that you
praised so highly, the man that keeps his till filled by money
paid by the National Pencil Company, as to where he put
his stack of hay and the time of day he drew his pay, sustains
Jim Conley. Monteen Stover, as to the easy-walking
shoes she wore when she went up into this man’s Frank’s
room, at the very minute he was back there in the metal
department with this poor little unfortunate girl, sustains
Jim Conley. Monteen Stover, when she tells you that she
found nobody in that office, sustains Jim Conley, when he
says that he heard little Mary Phagan go into the office,
heard the footsteps of the two as they went to the rear,
he heard the scream and he saw the dead body because
Monteen says there was nobody in the office, and Jim says
she went up immediately after Mary had gone to the rear.
Lemmie Quinn,-your own dear Lemmie,-as to the time
he went up and went down into the streets with the evidence
of Mrs. Freeman and Hall, sustains Jim Conley.
Frank’s statement that he would consult his attorneys about
Quinn’s statement that he had visited him in his office
sustains Jim Conley. Dalton, sustained as to his life for
the last ten years, here in this community and in DeKalb,
when he stated that he had seen Jim watching before on
Saturdays and holidays, sustains Jim Conley. Daisy Hopkins’
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 140 1914
had seen her go into that factory with Dalton, and down
that scuttle hole to the place where that cot is shown to
have been, sustains Jim Conley. The blood on the second
floor, testified to by numerous witnesses, sustains Jim Conley.
The appearance of the blood, the phyical condition of
the floor when the blood was found Monday morning, sustains
Jim Conley. The testimony of Holloway, which he
gave in the affidavit before he appreciated the importance,
coupled with the statement of Boots Rogers that that elevator
box was unlocked, sustains Jim Conley. Ivey
Jones, the man who says he met him in close proximity
to the pencil factory on the day this murder was committed,
the time he says he left that place, sustains Jim Conley.
Albert McKnight, who testified as to the length of time
that this man Frank remained at home, and the fact that he
hurried back to the factory, sustains Jim Conley. The repudiated
affidavit, made to the police, in the presence of
Craven and Pickett, of Minola McKnight, the affidavit
which George Gordon, the lawyer, with the knowledge
that he could get a habeas corpus and take her within
thirty minutes out of the custody of the police but
which he sat there and allowed her to make, sustains Jim
Conley. The use of that cord, found in abundance, to choke
this girl to death, sustains Jim Conley. The existence of the
notes alone sustains Jim Conley, because no negro ever in
the history of the race, after having perpetrated rape or
robbery, ever wrote a note to cover up the crime. The note
paper on which it is written, paper found in abundance on
the office floor and near the office of this man Frank, sustains
Jim Conley. The diction of the notes, “this negro did
this,” and old Jim throughout his statement says “I done,”
sustains Jim Conley.
Mr. Rosser: I have looked the record up, and Jim
Conley says “I did it,” time and time again. He said
“I disremember whether I did or didn’t,” he says “I did
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Mr. Dorsey: They would have to prove that record
before I would believe it.
Mr. Rosser: He says time and time again “I disremember
whether I did or not”; he says “I did it,” page
after page, sometimes three times on a page. I’ve got
the record, too. Of course, if the Almighty God was to
say it you would deny it.
Mr. Dorsey: Who reported it?
Mr. Rosser: Pages 496, (Mr. Rosser here read a list
of page numbers containing the statement referred to.)
Mr. Arnold: I want to read the first one before he
caught himself, on page 946, I want to read the statement-
Mr. Dorsey: Who reported it, that’s what I want to
know.
Mr. Arnold: This is the official report and it’s the
correct report, taken down by the official stenographer,
and he said, “Now when the lady comes I’ll stamp
like I did before,” “I says all right, I’ll do just as you
say and I did.”
Mr. Dorsey: He’s quoting Frank here, “and he says
now when the lady comes I’ll stamp like I did.”
Mr. Arnold: “I says all right, I’ll do just as you say,
and I did as he said.” He has got it both ways, “I did
it,” and “I done it,” you can find it both ways.
Mr. Dorsey: The jury heard that examination and
the cross examination of Jim Conley, and every time it
was put to him he says “I done it.”
Mr. Rosser: And I assert that’s not true, the stenographer
took it down and he took it down correctly.
Mr. Dorsey: I’m not bound by his stenographer.
Mr. Rosser: I know, you are not bound by any rule
of right in the universe.
The Court: If there’s any dispute about the correctness
of this report, I’ll have the stenographer to come
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 142 1914
Mr. Parry: I reported 1 to 31 myself, and I think
I can make a statement that will satisfy Mr. Dorsey:
The shorthand character for “did” is very different
from “done,” there’s no reason for a reporter confusing
those two. Now, at the bottom of this page,-I see
I reported it myself, and that was what he said, quoting
“All right, I’ll do just as you say and I did as he said.”
Now, as I say, my characters for “did” and “done” are
very different and shouldn’t be confused,-no reason
for their being confused.
The Court: Well, is that reported or not correctly?
Mr. Parry: That was taken as he said it and written
out as he said it.
Mr. Dorsey: Let it go, then, I’ll trust the jury on it.
Maybe he did, in certain instances, say that he did so and
so, but you said in your argument that if there is anything
in the world a negro will do, it is to pick up the language of
the man for whom he works; and while I’ll assert that there
are some instances you can pick out in which he used that
word, that there are other instances you might pick showing
that he used that word “I done,” and they know it. All
right, leave the language, take the context.
Notes Sustain Jim Conley.
These notes say, as I suggested the other day, that she was
assaulted as she went to make water. And the only closet
known to Mary, and the only one that she would ever have
used is the closet on the office floor, where Conley says he
found the body, and her body was found right on the route
that Frank would pursue from his office to that closet, right
on back also to the metal room. The fact that this note
states that a negro did it by himself, shows a conscious effort
on the part of somebody to exclude and limit the crime
to one man, and this fact sustains Conley. Frank even, in
his statement sustains him, as to his time of arrival Saturday
morning at the factory, as to the time of the visit to
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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 143 1914
his hands, and Frank in his statement says that he had the
folder. Conley is sustained by another thing: This man
Harry White, according to your statement, got $2.00. Where
is the paper, where is the entry on any book showing that
Frank ever entered it up on that Saturday afternoon when
he waited for Conley and his mind was occupied with the
consideration of the problem as to what he should do with
the body. Schiff waited until the next week and would have
you believe there was some little slip that was put in a cash
box showing that this $2.00 was given White, and that slip
was destroyed. Listen to this: “Arthur White borrowed
$2.00 from me in advance on his wages. When we spend,
of course, we credit it; there was a time, when we paid out
money we would write it down on the book and we found it
was much better for” us to keep a little voucher book and
let each and every person sign for money they got.”
“Let each and every person sign for money they got,”
says Frank in his statement, “and we have not only this
record, but this record on the receipt book.” And notwithstanding
that you kept a book and you found it better to
keep this little voucher book and let each and every person
sign for money they got, notwithstanding the fact that you
say that you kept a book for express and kerosene and every
other conceivable purpose for which money was appropriated,
you fail and refuse, because you can’t, produce the
signature of White, or the entry in any book made by Frank
showing that this man White ever got that money, except
the entry made by this man Schiff some time during the
week thereafter.
Mind and Conscience on Crime.
I tell you, gentlemen of the jury, that the reason that
Frank didn’t enter up, or didn’t take the receipt from White
about the payment of that money, was because his mind
and conscience were on the crime that he had committed.
This expert in bookkeeping, this Cornell- graduate, this man

Hugh M. Dorsey, Argument of Hugh M. Dorsey Solicitor-General, Atlanta Judicial Circuit at the Trial of Leo M.
Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 144 1914
who checks and re-checks the cash, you tell me that if
things were normal that he would have given out to that
man White this $2.00 and not have taken a receipt, or not
have made an entry himself on some book, going to show it?
I tell you there’s only one reason why he didn’t do it. He
is sustained by the evidence in this case and the statement
of Frank that he had relatives in Brooklyn. The time that
Frank says that he left that factory sustains old Jim.
When old Jim Conley was on the stand, Mr. Rosser put
him through a good deal of questioning with reference to
some fellow by the name of Mincey. Where is Mincey?
Echo answers “Where?” Either Mincey was a myth, or
Mincey was such a diabolical perjurer that this man knew
that it would nauseate the stomach of a decent jury to have
him produced. Where is M-Nlincey? And if you weren’t going
to produce Mincey, why did you parade it here before this
jury? The absence of Mincey is a powerful fact that goes
to sustain Jim Conley, because if Mincey could have contradicted
Jim Conley, or could have successfully fastened an
admission on old Jim that he was connected in any way with
this crime, depend upon it, you would have produced him if
you had to comb the State of Georgia with a fine-tooth comb,
from Rabun Gap to Tybee Light.
His Own Acts Prove His Guilt.
Gentlemen, every act of that defendant proclaims him
guilty. Gentlemen, every word of that defendant proclaims
him responsible for the death of this little factory girl. Gentlemen,
every circumstances in this case proves him guilty
of this crime. Extraordinary? Yes, but nevertheless true,
just as true as Mary Phagan is dead. She died a noble
death, not a blot on her name. She died because she wouldn’t
yield her virtue to the demands of her superintendent. I
have no purpose and have never had from the beginning in
this case that you oughtn’t to have, as an honest, upright
citizen of this community. In the language of Daniel Web-

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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 145 1914
146
ster, I desire to remind you “that when a jury, through
whimsical and unfounded scruples, suffers the guilty, to escape,
they make themselves answerable for the augmented
danger to the innocent.”
Your Honor, I have done my duty. I have no apology to
make. Your Honor, so far as the State is concerned, may
now charge this jury,-this jury who have sworn that they
were impartial and unbiased, this jury who, in this presence,
have taken the oath that they would well and truly try the
issue formed on this bill of indictment between the State
of Georgia and Leo M. Frank, charged with the murder of
Mary Phagan; and I predict, may it please Your Honor, that
under the law that you give in charge and under the honest
opinion of the jury of the evidence produced, there can be but
one verdict, and that is: We the jury find the defendant,
Leo M. Frank, guilty! GUILTY! GUILTY!

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Frank Charged with the Murder of Mary Phagan 146 1914

INDEX

Alibi, 19, 34-43.
B.
Barrett, 83, 108.
Bauer, 43, 55.
Beattie, 33, 50.
Beavers, Chief, 83, 86, 102.
Beck & Gregg, 93.
Benedict Arnold, 30.
Black, John, 53, 60, 69. 82, 103,
110, 119
Bleckley, Judge, 66.
Blood, 64, 80-90.
Burns, Robert, 74.
C.
Campbell, Pat, 25, 47, 53, 61,
67, 98, 109.
Carson, Miss Rebecca, 57, 139.
Carson, Mrs., 28, 56, 86.
C. E. Society, 14.
Character, 2, 21-43.
Childs, Dr., 123.
Circumstantial Evidence, 78, 45.
Clark, 41.
Clark Woodenware Co., 107.
Conley, 37, 40, 56, 58, 65, 98,
109, 130.
Connally, Dr., 86.
Craven, 61, 93, 95.
Crippen, 33.
Cross-Examination, 24-26-29.
Curran Girl, 35.
D.
Dalton, C. B., 131, 140.
Darley, 60, 79, 127, 140.
“Darter; Joe,” 48.
Demosthenes, 62.
Denham, Harry, 79.
Duffy, 44, 55, 82.
Dunbar Case, 129.
Durant Case, 9-19.
Duty of Solicitor, 61.
E.
Elevator, 63.
Epps, George, 121.
F.
February, G. C., 35.
Ferguson, Helen, 79.
Financial Sheet, 46, 49.
Fleming, Miss, 45.
Flirting Edict, 45.
Freeman, 41.
Funke, Dr., 118.
G.
Gantt, 47, 74, 117, 126.
Gheesling, 109.
Gordon, George, 92.
Graham, 65.
Grand Jury Letters, 22.
H.
Hall, Corinthia, 38, 41, 79.
Hancock, Dr., 118.
Harris. Dr., 89, 121.
Harris, Judge, 124.
Haskoline, 105.
Hewell, Dewey, 74.
Hill, Solicitor, 61.
Hollis, 114.
Holloway, 37, 42, 84, 113, 141.
Hopkins, Daisy, 131, 140.
Hummel, Abe, 4.
Hurt, Dr., 90.
L
Irby, 37.
J.
Jackson, Miss, 27, 140.
Jefferson, Mrs., 85, 100.
Jekyl & Hyde, 25.
Jewish Race, 2-3.
Johnson, Dr.. 118.
Jones, Sam, 43.
Judas Iscariot, 30.
Julias Caesar, 62.
Kelley, 121.
Kendley, 81, 121.
Kitchens, 28.
Knapp Case, 36.

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